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re: What do you think it means to believe in science?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Occam's razor is the most likely explanation is the preferred explanation by science.
However, the most likely explanation may be the preferred explanation by science but that does not mean it is the correct explanation.
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But it is the overwhelming majority of the time, especially when empirical evidence across many years/decades supports the most likely explanation.
Even when that is the case, it still does not mean it is the correct explanation.
It still means it is just the most likely explanation.
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:27 pm to DawgfaninCa
We find new species every single year, so no, it's impossible to say "sea serpents" don't exist. We know more about Mars than we do the oceans.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We know more about Mars than we do the oceans.
I think you mean the Moon. We don't know what happened to Mars or why it is naturally producing methane for instance.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:33 pm to sabes que
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believe in science
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Men who have excessive faith in their theories or ideas are not only ill prepared for making discoveries; they also make very poor observations. Of necessity, they observe with a preconceived idea, and when they devise an experiment, they can see, in its results, only a confirmation of their theory. In this way they distort observation and often neglect very important facts because they do not further their aim…. But it happens further quite naturally that men who believe too firmly in their theories, do not believe enough in the theories of others. So the dominant idea of these despisers of their fellows is to find others’ theories faulty and to try to contradict them. The difficulty, for science, is still the same.
CLAUDE BERNARD, An Introduction to the Study of Experimental Medicine, 1865
Pretty much this...
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:35 pm to OMLandshark
But we do have detailed maps of its entire surface. There are millions of square miles of unmapped ocean floor (and we only know the exact depth of about 60% of the ocean). And of course there could be untold numbers of species existing at the greatest depths.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:43 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Meh.
We know more about Mars than we do the oceans.
I think you mean the Moon.
It's all perspective hyperbole.
However, the complexity of life, coupled with extent of the oceans, probably means we do well know more about Mars. Obviously it's all a guess. But it's not an unreasonable assertion.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We find new species every single year, so no, it's impossible to say "sea serpents" don't exist. We know more about Mars than we do the oceans.
If you really believe that then why did you say, "It's hard to keep track of your web of insanity." because I have asserted I know sea serpents exist since I had a definitive sighting of a sea serpent which was only 20 yards away from me?
Besides, ask any scientist, especially a marine biologist, if they believe a large unknown serpentine marine animal commonly called a sea serpent exists like the ones depicted in ancient drawings or in old stories told by sailors and they will tell you it's possible that unknown marine animals exist but the existence of sea serpents is a myth.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:06 pm to Roger Klarvin
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But we do have detailed maps of its entire surface. There are millions of square miles of unmapped ocean floor (and we only know the exact depth of about 60% of the ocean). And of course there could be untold numbers of species existing at the greatest depths.
The animals I have seen have two huge oval shaped nostrils at the front of their snout which means they are air breathers and must spend a lot of their time near or at the surface of the water not at great depths.
Also, I have seen the animal swim by flexing its body into radical vertical undulations which the scientific community says is impossible for an animal to do.
The scientific community has said the animal I have seen does not exist even though I have seen them close up with my own eyes.
Even if I can't prove it to the scientific community or anyone else, who should I believe, the "experts" in the scientific community or myself?
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:10 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If you really believe that then why did you say, "It's hard to keep track of your web of insanity." because I have asserted I know sea serpents exist since I had a definitive sighting of a sea serpent which was only 20 yards away from me?
You're fricking nuts.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:10 pm to DawgfaninCa
Now that is exceedingly unlikely. Such large animals requiring regular surface ventures, especially in urban coastal regions, going undetected in this day and age is not very plausible. It would be the equivalent of discovering a new species of 15 foot alligator in the sewers of greater Miami.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:20 pm to OMLandshark
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If you really believe that then why did you say, "It's hard to keep track of your web of insanity." because I have asserted I know sea serpents exist since I had a definitive sighting of a sea serpent which was only 20 yards away from me?
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You're fricking nuts.
That's what the skeptics said to Copernicus and Columbus.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:22 pm to DawgfaninCa
Can we get back to the demon sword fights at some point?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:23 pm to DawgfaninCa
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That's what the skeptics said to Copernicus and Columbus.
Let me guess: you think Columbus discovered the world was round?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:24 pm to OMLandshark
quote:They literally said the same thing about the eccentric German "businessman" who believed Troy actually existed. The same was said of George Shaw in claiming the Platypus was a real animal.
You're fricking nuts
I'm always deferent to personal observers.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:25 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Indeed
That's what the skeptics said to Copernicus and Columbus.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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Indeed
Here's the thing though: people of Columbus's time who refused to finance the mission were correct, in that China and India were far further than Columbus' calculations. Columbus just got lucky that there was a huge landmass in his way to the Far East.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Now that is exceedingly unlikely. Such large animals requiring regular surface ventures, especially in urban coastal regions, going undetected in this day and age is not very plausible.
Just because something is exceedingly unlikely or not very plausible that doesn't mean it is impossible.
My brother and I were exceedingly lucky to be in the right place at the right time and looking in the right direction the first time we saw one of the animals.
It was right after dawn when no one else was around and we were lucky the animal chased a sea lion over a submerged rocky ledge only 20 yards away from us and directly in front of where we were sitting in our car.
If that sea lion wasn't there or if the animal hadn't chased it then we would have never seen the animal.
The odds of seeing one of these animals is highly unlikely but we beat the odds just like the odds of someone winning the California lottery is highly unlikely but eventually someone beats the odds and wins.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:37 pm to OMLandshark
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Let me guess: you think Columbus discovered the world was round?
Nope but the skeptics who thought the world was flat thought he would fall off the edge of the world.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:38 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Nope but the skeptics who thought the world was flat thought he would fall off the edge of the world.
Thank you for proving my point. You're an idiot.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:40 pm to OMLandshark
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Columbus just got lucky that there was a huge landmass in his way to the Far East.
Just like my brother and I got lucky when we went down to the SF bay around dawn that morning and parked our car where we parked it.
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