re: What are your reasons for believing climate change is "a hoax"

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What is the conspiracy that I'm missing?

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Well, it is more of a conspiracy of the willing - there is little question the climate is changing and I'll even concede that, perhaps, human activity may be contributing in some small, but measureable way to this.

However, there is also little question that it has risen to the level of a religion among the "believers" - which include many "scientists." My first piece of evidence is how they approach critics, particularly dissenters within the scientific and meteorological fields - like heretics, Holocaust-deniers, etc. True science WELCOMES critics - because critics strengthen the science. Only flim-flam artists and religious zealots want to marginalize, silence, burn critics to death.

My second piece of evidence is this laserbeam focus on CO2 - it is as transparent as glass as to the underlying reason - it is a proxy for energy. If you can control CO2 emissions, you can control, essentially, all human activity in the modern world. There are many greenhouse gases, many of them pollutants. CO2 is not a pollutant, in fact, it is a trace gas required for life to exist as we know it on this planet. If anything, a little too little CO2 would be a much bigger problem than a little too much.

My third piece of evidence is the most commonly pursued "remedy" - "cap and trade" - this is to freeze emissions at some arbitrary level. Only 2 things can happen after global emissions are arbitrarily capped: We either tell the Third World to pound sand, "You can never be better than you are right now" energy wise, OR (more likely, IMHO), those "caps" per country will be adjusted to make it all proportional to population - a Global Marxist redistribution scheme if I ever saw one.

My fourth piece of evidence is (mentioned in 3rd) this overall arbitrariness of it all. Picking arbitrary times in the geological record and say, "That's the perfect level of CO2" or "That's the perfect temperature" and then attempt to make humans feel guilty for thriving and having any role (however small I think it ultimately is) in deviations from these arbitrary targets.

None of that is science. It is religion (or religious in nature) with a goal of population control, rather than any true exploration of what is going on with the climate and what can/should be done about it.

Human beings are horrific polluters, particularly in large numbers. You see problems in Asia and Africa with just sheer numbers of humans for the area causing huge problems. Industry is also pretty dirty, although the West has significantly cleaned up their act over the past, 25, 30 years. But CO2, IMHO, just isn't that big of a concern right now. Certainly not enough to cripple the global economy to avoid a few tenths of a degree (if that) increase over 100 years or whatever.

The "doom and gloom" forecasts that never come to pass are also signs this movement is more about faith than science was an element I considered, but I thing most otherwise rational AGW folks will concede both that this occurs and has hurt your movement. Agree?

More great powerman hot takes.

You're a treasure on this board.

You are just babbling nonsense at this point

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He regurgitated a bunch of stupid shite he read somewhere that is meant to push the dumb conspiracy theorist side

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I've been posting those questions for over 5 years and they have never been answered

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I've been posting those questions for over 5 years and they have never been answered

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Maybe because the questions aren't particularly relevant?

There is no claim that the earth’s climate does not change It has. It does. It will again. It has changed with zero human influence on it. It will change with humans here. Solar activity will change as well as the gentle wobbling of the earth’s axis. Other natural factors also aid in it.

The hoax part is that man is the driver of it.

But but but science.. the science is based on models. Man made models. Man made models that were made only to prove it’s happening. Again, you can make a computer model that shows the earth will flip inside out if you want to.

Next, scientists have been manipulating data LINK

Then you have the fact so called scientists themselves contradict themselves. Remember global cooling? Ice ages and humanity starving because it’s too cold to grow enough food? I do. Then it was global warming. The earth is going to burn. Now it’s climate change to cover their bases.

Lastly, the biggest crybabies about climate change are the biggest hypocrites.

Remember Obama fear mongering over climate change while he and moochelle has taken separate jets to the same destination before?

This is Al Gore’s home:



Now does that look eco friendly? Does that look like he is REALLY afraid of man’s influence on climate?

What about the bleeding heart Leonardo decaprio?



Oozes eco friendly doesn’t it?


Jessica Alba?



Pharrell Williams ?



And on and on and on. Do these people, who preach to us about climate change, REALLY look concerned about it? Truly afraid as they say?

When all of the people who profit from it really start living like they are concerned.. I’ll pay more attention. When gore downsizes to an 1 bedroom, 800 sq ft, condo... I’ll pay more attention.

When everyone who runs their mouth about it flies private, travels in suv laden motorcades, and lives in mansions. Yea well frick what they think.

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Maybe because the questions aren't particularly relevant?

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Yes they are, each involves a part of our climate

He asks for answers in the OP. Then when you answer that question; he calls you a conspiracy theorist.

Thread is shite.

***needs an anchor

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I also agree that some of the proposed remedies are not feasible or beneficial to humanity

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What proposed remedies will halt climate change, are feasible, and beneficial to humanity?