re: Were Trump & Obama Chosen by God?

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Cool were on the same page then.

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No, we are not on the same page... Not even close...

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God doesn't control us and we have actual free will dope.

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We have free will with our belief, we have free will with sin...

God has a plan and everyone is a part of this plan and the things that happen are not outside of God's control or His plan...

Give you a little hint, He knows how it all ends...

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Yes

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Did you understand them?

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Yes. I don't believe he is chosing them.

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God orchestrates all things--including our choices--to achieve His divine will. To say otherwise would be to deny a basic tenant of Christianity and the nature of God.

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That would contradict free will and make christianity pointless.

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I think your concept of free will is a little off, but even so, the scriptures are clear that God is sovereign, so whatever you believe about free will, it has to align with what is clearly taught about other things, such as God's sovereignty. You align the unclear with the clear, not the clear with the unclear.

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You put yourself in that "box"... Or do you disagree with what Jesus had to say as well?

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Now you're just trolling. I can't even make sense of that.

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therfore not everything that happens is part of his plan.

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Then you do not believe God is sovereign over the world... You do realize there is an entire book on how it all plays out right? Are you saying that book is not accurate and man will have the final say in how it all ends?

You also made the statement that God is not as active in today's world as he was in the Old Testament? Did He get bored or something?

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Tells me you need to study the Bible a little more... maybe pray a little harder for understanding...

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You have to be trolling. How are you going to tell me that this:

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You put yourself in that "box"... Or do you disagree with what Jesus had to say as well?

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Isn't a bunch gibberish. Explain how I put myself in box and what I'm disagreeing with Jesus about, specifically.

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God thinks that "letting babies die" like that is sinful and definitely "not cool".

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So why doesn't he use his jesus powers to stop it? That is my whole point. Why do you worship a god who created you and everyone here to suffer while he sits back and what? Watches?

Yeah no thanks.

I have no use for a god that created me to suffer in the hope that I believe, with exactly 0 evidence, in his existence & benevolence. I honestly would have rather not been born, as I would have been "in heaven" without getting sent here to risk giving into human nature and going to hell.

If the reason for our creation and existence is to worship god, and we fail, then the creator that put us here is at fault for creating us and giving us free will. He also is omni present through time so he knows everything we will or won't do - so he already knew if I am going to hell or not. Based on what I was taught by a school tied to the church, god knows if I am going to hell or heaven already, so if I go to hell it is his fault.

That is my issue. God, if he exists, is either a giant a-hole or needs better PR.

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Then you do not believe God is sovereign over the world

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False. I do believe he is sovereign. I just don't belueve he is exercising his power at all the time, on every single thing. We are not puppets, we have free will.

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Quite frankly, you have fallen into the worldly trap of picking a choosing... It is really that simple... Being luke warm is mentioned specifically or implied 8 distinct times in the Bible...

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1. Stop telling me what I believe. I'm not picking and choosing. I am reading the same text as you and am coming to another conclusion. That is not picking and choosibg that's called an interpretation.
2. I'm not luke warm I believe whole heartedly in God.

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Probably the most accurate to where you are in your belief is:

Isaiah 29:13 - The Lord says: These people come near to me with their mouth and honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught

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Goodness gracious could you be anymore of a "hollier than you" tool? Seriously who tf are you tell me what I believe, why I have chosen to believe in God, and how strong that faith is? All because I have a different interpretarion than you?

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I am certainly not trolling you

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At this point I sincerely doubt it.

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So why doesn't he use his jesus powers to stop it? That is my whole point. Why do you worship a god who created you and everyone here to suffer while he sits back and what? Watches?

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Why didn't God intervene when His only Son was being killed unjustly? Because God had a greater purpose in it.

God allows suffering for various reasons, including our own judgement for our own sinfulness, but He also allows it to show the need we have for Christ.

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Yeah no thanks.

I have no use for a god that created me to suffer in the hope that I believe, with exactly 0 evidence, in his existence & benevolence.

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God created you and all people to worship Him. Suffering is not your purpose, but a result of your sin against the God who created you for obedience to, worship of, and relationship with Him.

And there is an abundance of evidence, just none that you want to accept. You suppress the truth in unrighteousness. You don't want to believe God exists and therefore you will find every reason not to acknowledge Him and bow your knee to Christ.

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I honestly would have rather not been born, as I would have been "in heaven" without getting sent here to risk giving into human nature and going to hell.

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That's not how it works, but it certainly would be better to not have been born than to live a life of rebellion against God and die in your sins.

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If the reason for our creation and existence is to worship god, and we fail, then the creator that put us here is at fault for creating us and giving us free will. He also is omni present through time so he knows everything we will or won't do - so he already knew if I am going to hell or not. Based on what I was taught by a school tied to the church, god knows if I am going to hell or heaven already, so if I go to hell it is his fault.

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Everyone that goes to Hell deserves to go to Hell. It isn't God's "fault" for not saving you from yourself or from your representative, Adam.

And you know what? God created us and can do with us whatever He wills. He didn't have to save anyone because we all fall short of His glory. He would be just to let us all die in our sins, cursing His name all the way, but He doesn't. He has graciously saved some and sent His own Son to take on the weakness of a human form and suffer and die so that we may be saved.

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That is my issue. God, if he exists, is either a giant a-hole or needs better PR.

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If God didn't exist, you'd have no objective basis for calling Him or anyone else "a giant a-hole" simply because you don't like something. And no, He doesn't need better PR. You and I need to better understand what He's done.