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Weather, Climate, and political manipulation
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:44 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:44 am
2017 was the 2nd warmest year on record...fact
The arctic waters are getting warmer and warmer each decade...fact
we are having some unbelievably cold weather right now...fact
the left over analyzed 'Global Warming' and have manipulated it to overinvest in alternative energies...fact
the right, like with religion (Christianity), manipulates scientific hypothesis with scientific fact to prove/disprove their agenda (i.e. Trump's latest tweet)
To date, there are many examples that link manmade pollution (carbon emissions) to the threat of global warming. But, I also don't believe any of it to be scientific fact. There is no absolute proof but rather good evidence pointing to a relationship between the two. But, again, the political manipulation of both sides create the divide to really do what's right. And, that's not just throwing money at it nor is it to ignore it.
that said, by scientific evidence, global warming is real. what may not ever be known is how much we contribute to it with pollution. climate change surely may be a normal scientific phenomena. does that just mean we ignore the threats that it brings? Donald Trump says yes.
I'm really unsure how much time and money should be thrown at these issues/concerns, but we can't just stop the research. But, the money grabs with alternative energy is/was not helping the cause.
What do we do? Where do we stand?
The arctic waters are getting warmer and warmer each decade...fact
we are having some unbelievably cold weather right now...fact
the left over analyzed 'Global Warming' and have manipulated it to overinvest in alternative energies...fact
the right, like with religion (Christianity), manipulates scientific hypothesis with scientific fact to prove/disprove their agenda (i.e. Trump's latest tweet)
To date, there are many examples that link manmade pollution (carbon emissions) to the threat of global warming. But, I also don't believe any of it to be scientific fact. There is no absolute proof but rather good evidence pointing to a relationship between the two. But, again, the political manipulation of both sides create the divide to really do what's right. And, that's not just throwing money at it nor is it to ignore it.
that said, by scientific evidence, global warming is real. what may not ever be known is how much we contribute to it with pollution. climate change surely may be a normal scientific phenomena. does that just mean we ignore the threats that it brings? Donald Trump says yes.
I'm really unsure how much time and money should be thrown at these issues/concerns, but we can't just stop the research. But, the money grabs with alternative energy is/was not helping the cause.
What do we do? Where do we stand?
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:45 am to jptiger2009
And the earth's climate has been changing since day 1.....fact
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:47 am to Wtodd
That tumors growing bigger.
Yeah its been getting bigger since it formed what’s your point
Yeah its been getting bigger since it formed what’s your point
Posted on 1/4/18 at 7:54 am to Wtodd
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And the earth's climate has been changing since day 1.....fact
a vote for do nothing?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:12 am to jptiger2009
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The arctic waters are getting warmer and warmer each decade...fact
What about the Antarctic?
NASA.gov
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Since the late 1970s, the Arctic has lost an average of 20,800 square miles (53,900 square kilometers) of ice a year; the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km). On Sept. 19 this year, for the first time ever since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles (20 million square kilometers), according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.
Yes more overal ice is melting than freezing, but that has been the case for 10s of thousands of years. I don’t know what it all means, but it’s just strange there are still areas growing. Almost like there is far more in play than humans blanketing the globe in greenhouse gases.
Seems like it fluctuates between areas, and If one is growing the other was always going to be receding at a higher rate unless we reverse a trend that been in motion since our cavemen days
^ We really could have used Al Gore 14,000 years ago
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 8:30 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:12 am to jptiger2009
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the right, like with religion (Christianity), manipulates scientific hypothesis with scientific fact to prove/disprove their agenda (i.e. Trump's latest tweet)
What?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:14 am to jptiger2009
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that said, by scientific evidence, global warming is real. what may not ever be known is how much we contribute to it with pollution.
You do realize we are in a global cooling period right now, correct? If memory serves, it started about 10 years ago and is expected to be a 20 year trend.
ETA: my mistake, period started in 2000 and will last until 2030.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:15 am to jptiger2009
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What do we do? Where do we stand?
technology will solve our emissions problems itself, even without government regulation
emissions are seen as waste, imagine how much money could and will be made when industry is able to capture those waste emissions and turn that into profit?
everybody wins and we are not that far off from this being reality
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:15 am to jptiger2009
The climate is not, nor has it ever been stagnant. Earth has gone through periods of warming and cooling multiple times- all of it in a time before mankind was ever capable of affecting the environment in any significant way.
The climate alarmists have been trying to cause panic since the 70’s, starting with the impending “Big Freeze” and continuing with the impending acid rain apocalypse, through Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” bullshite, all the way to it being re-branded as “climate change” (since the climate was not acting the way the alarmists kept predicting).
We should want to take care of our home and our environment, but the alarmists need to realize that a LOT of the data that they cite has been proven to have been fudged so as to make things look much worse than they are. The Government should be incentivizing companies to become greener, rather than taxing and increasing regulations in an attempt to strong-arm them into submission. Carrot > Stick.
The climate alarmists have been trying to cause panic since the 70’s, starting with the impending “Big Freeze” and continuing with the impending acid rain apocalypse, through Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” bullshite, all the way to it being re-branded as “climate change” (since the climate was not acting the way the alarmists kept predicting).
We should want to take care of our home and our environment, but the alarmists need to realize that a LOT of the data that they cite has been proven to have been fudged so as to make things look much worse than they are. The Government should be incentivizing companies to become greener, rather than taxing and increasing regulations in an attempt to strong-arm them into submission. Carrot > Stick.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:17 am to BugAC
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You do realize we are in a global cooling period right now, correct? If memory serves, it started about 10 years ago and is expected to be a 20 year trend.
this is false
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:19 am to Salmon
Prove it
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:19 am to jptiger2009
the earth has had what, 6 major plate shifts over its lifespan?
keep taxing us. thatll prevent a 7th im sure
keep taxing us. thatll prevent a 7th im sure
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:19 am to Salmon
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emissions are seen as waste, imagine how much money could and will be made when industry is able to capture those waste emissions and turn that into profit?
Bingo.
Read a number of recent studies using CO2 + Steam + electricity (which could be solar/nuclear/whatever non-carbon based source) to make methane. Another group went a similar direction, but made some syngas and fischer tropsch to make heavier liquid fuels. We need to be better at carbon capture, but there's a whole lot of potential in making ourselves an artificial carbon cycle and using liquid fuels made from CO2 to store the energy instead of batteries.
Technological innovation is the only solution that is politically and economically viable.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 8:36 am to jptiger2009
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2017 was the 2nd warmest year on record...fact
How do we know that? Where is this cited?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:49 am to jptiger2009
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a vote for do nothing?
About what?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:52 am to BugAC
Spot on +. You're wasting your time tho. You can't reason a person out of a position that wasn't reasoned into in the first place. They're brainwashed cult members.
Sad.
Sad.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:53 am to Salmon
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this is false
bullshite.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:56 am to cssamerican
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:59 am to jptiger2009
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a vote for do nothing?
Pretty much....we're not bigger than Mother Nature
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:02 am to cssamerican
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How do we know that? Where is this cited?
I think the culters are referring to the satellite record...which goes back a whole 40 years or so. Take out the 17 year pause in temps and you have a little over 20 years of accurate measurements.
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