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re: We see the results of our revolving door of “justice” every day. Meanwhile…
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:12 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:12 pm to bhtigerfan
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You were just talking about how little crime we have in this day and time, and now you’re telling us that there’s so much crime that the system can’t handle it.
Exactly, and removing repeat offenders who take up court time every year certainly would in no way ease the overload on courts.
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:30 pm to djsdawg
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Perhaps the woke liberal activist judge who ignores very real threats and pleads them down because “muh racial justice” is a new thing.
It's not
You've already shown complete ignorance on the subject four posts in. Just fail after fail
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:36 pm to David_DJS
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The death by homicide rate for teenagers today is way down compared to 30-50 years ago, but there's more mass killings at schools.
Very likely, but this is a leftist talking point too. It's kind of like assault rifles where I guarantee we have more assault rifle shootings these days than in the past as well. However, it's such a menstrual number of the total. It really is not significant enough to discuss
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:37 pm to TigersnJeeps
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Is there a way to compare the repeat offender rates now vs the "hellscape" years?
Considering one of the main components of the lower crime rate is harsher sentences and acted in the '80s and '90s, that flowed through the system thereafter, I would imagine repeat offenders were much more common in the past because they were getting much more lenient sentences
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:38 pm to High C
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No, you’ve bent over backward to make it about that.
The OP was
About a totalitarian regime that has attacked the rights of its citizens to achieve the stats you reference in op.
I didn't make it about that. You chose the example that made it about that.
You can't talk about El Salvador's crime decreasing without also talking about the rise of totalitarianism in the state as well as the degradation of Rights of the citizenry. It goes hand in hand
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:39 pm to bhtigerfan
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You were just talking about how little crime we have in this day and time, and now you’re telling us that there’s so much crime that the system can’t handle it.
I already addressed this point and dismissed it
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Dismissed!
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:39 pm to biglego
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Well yeah, but that’s simply never going to happen. And I don’t trust government prosecutors that much anyway
Has everyone forgotten the Duke lacrosse case?
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's not
Safer to assume otherwise, especially now that you have made this claim. Liberals are certainly not tough on crime, and we have seen the woke direction they have taken their party over the past decade or so. They used to be reasonable, but arent anymore.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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About a totalitarian regime that has attacked the rights of its citizens to achieve the stats you reference in op.
By citizens, you mean gang banger criminals who commit violent crimes. Those are the people you are defending, not the peaceful citizens who are victimized.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:42 pm to djsdawg
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Safer to assume otherwise
Only if you want to project ignorance
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Liberals are certainly not tough on crime, and we have seen the woke direction they have taken their party over the past decade or so.
Again, y'all do not know your history. The late '60s and early '70s make today look like a theocracy.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Only if you want to project ignorance
Just the opposite of that.
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Again, y'all do not know your history. The late '60s and early '70s make today look like a theocracy.
Reasonable people of yesteryear were most likely NOT worse than these batshit crazy liberal loons of today.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:45 pm to djsdawg
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By citizens, you mean gang banger criminals who commit violent crimes.
The rights of all the citizens of El Salvador have been eroded to achieve those stats
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Those are the people you are defending
I'm literally not defending any person whatsoever
I'm discussing policy and history and stats. Not individual people.
You may want to take a step back and work really hard to understand exactly what we're talking about because you seem to have no idea.
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the peaceful citizens who are victimized.
Their rights have been eroded too. This is a systemic change in the country. It's not specific to individuals. That's the whole point that y'all keep forgetting because you are trying to force this through an in/out group dynamic. That's not what's going on. There is no system that can preemptively and accurately decide which people are the criminals who lose their rise and which people are the regular citizens who don't.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's sad that the left / libs all yell & stomp their feet in anger over rights, the constitution being violated, & what a shitty country the USA is....yet they never say one word about the parents of, at last count on my part, the 35 + young girls who have been raped & then murdered in the past few years, tossed aside like garbage by thugs. Those young girls & their parents are "stats" that they / you could care less about, let alone bring up. Use all the big words & deep, philosophical concepts you want. I care a lot more about those parents & their losses.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:13 pm to LordSaintly
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We have to start by ignoring people who complain about it.
Cubbies. Patient zero
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:15 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:I recognize that the tone does sound quite harsh, and perhaps I could have phrased it in a way that wasn't so.
The tone, I guess.
The notion that we would be better off if more people were executed.
I really do think that society would be better off if it were more just, and if our government cared more about the innocent than the guilty. From a biblical point of view, the civil magistrate is supposed to provide justice, reward good and punish evil. Our society often times does just the opposite, and it leads to more lawlessness and destruction.
It's not that I want more people to die, but I want evil to be restrained (which is the 2nd use of the law of God) by the government doing its job in providing justice.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
When do the rights of innocent people to not be killed by violent motherfrickers who have already been arrested multiple times come into play?
Getting rid of gangs would drastically reduce violence across the country. It's disgusting to think about how decent portions of every medium to big city in our country is gang territory where residents live in fear. We've all just learned to accept violent gangs as a normal mainstay.
Getting rid of gangs would drastically reduce violence across the country. It's disgusting to think about how decent portions of every medium to big city in our country is gang territory where residents live in fear. We've all just learned to accept violent gangs as a normal mainstay.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The rights of all the citizens of El Salvador have been eroded to achieve those stats
How so?
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm discussing policy and history and stats. Not individual people.
Policies about people. Some policies defend people, some policies leave them open to attack. You aren't advocating for policies that protect innocents. You are advocating for policies that enable the violent criminals.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:46 pm to Plx1776
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When do the rights of innocent people to not be killed by violent motherfrickers who have already been arrested multiple times come into play?
That's why we have a criminal justice system
We already covered this earlier in the thread also
Remember, we are talking about OUR rights, not the rights of criminals
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Getting rid of gangs would drastically reduce violence across the country
That is true but not really something that's possible. It's an impossible goal, and our government has tried and expanded its powers drastically in trying.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 8:49 pm
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