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re: We see the results of our revolving door of “justice” every day. Meanwhile…
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:08 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:08 pm to djsdawg
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Contrary to you belief, This is no excuse to be soft on crime.
When have I advocated for anyone to be soft on crime?
I view recidivism as a failure of the state to rehabilitate offenders who are in the care, custody and control of the state for various lengths of time. What does that have to do with being soft on crime?
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:21 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:They can't. That's the same problem everyone has eventually. The difference here is that a person would actually know the day and hour of their death.
How do they do that if they are dead?
quote:Pharaoh was going to put him to death for his crime, so Moses fled Egypt to escape the death penalty (Ex. 2:15).
Again, Moses was a murderer. So was David. So was Paul. Peter sliced off an attendant's/guard's ear, so under our laws he probably could have been convicted of attempted murder...at the very least assault with a deadly weapon. And if Jesus hadn't miraculously healed the man, what would have happened to Peter?
David was certainly was a murderer, but as the king, there was no higher civil authority to hold him accountable. God held him accountable, though, by killing his son and create strife in his household after him.
Paul was complicit in the killing of Christians, and from the Roman standpoint, that may have been considered unlawful killing and even murder, but they were inconsistent in how they prosecuted such crimes. However, if he was convicted of murder, he would have been judged as a murderer under the Roman civil law. It should be noted that even Paul argued at trial that he was innocent of the charges laid against him, but that if he had done anything worthy of the death penalty, he wouldn't fight it: "If then I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything for which I deserve to die, I do not seek to escape death. But if there is nothing to their charges against me, no one can give me up to them. I appeal to Caesar.” (Acts 25:11)
quote:Correct, and yet God commanded the death penalty for many crimes. God certainly isn't anti-death penalty. In fact, He's more harsh on that (so to speak) that I am, because He actually exercises judgement and punishes people to eternal death for their rejection of Christ (Mat. 10:28). Going to Hell is a far worse judgement than physical death.
It's clear that God can use even people who have committed violent crimes to accomplish great things for Him on Earth.
But not if they are dead.
quote:Justice doesn't only mean a punitive punishment, but it seems to be that it's not less than that.
I don't see the win from a practical standpoint nor do I see the justification from a spiritual standpoint. "Justice" doesn't only mean punitive. There are different theories of incarceration and punishment and that is only one of them.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And our chances of being falsely labeled a dangerous person and put away with them increase dramatically
How so? People without criminal records are very different than tatted up gang bangers with long rap sheets. Proven thugs would be behind bars.
The alternative to this:
Chances of being murdered by a dangerous person increases dramatically. This is what you defend.
No system is perfect. Ours is far from it and people die because of it. Once again, blame liberals in the justice system for being soft on crime. Can you do that?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Did you read his post? Do you understand what elections do? Why would they be fearful of their electorate when they're specifically chosen by that electorate? And the electorate has a process to replace the judges if they feel the judges are failing as he describes. This isn't complicated
He asked a great question, and you failed miserably because you prefer to make it far more complicated.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:26 pm to 4cubbies
quote:The Gospel is about both. I was emphasizing God's justice because of the subject.
The Gospel is about mercy and love. The crucifixion of Jesus is not a story of justice served.
Why do you think it's merciful? Because what we deserve for our sins is what Jesus bore on the cross for us: God's just wrath.
It's because God satisfied His justice through Jesus that we are forgiven for our sins. God's justice is is equally a part of who He is as His love.
quote:Not consistently, no. Our justice system is more focused on rehabilitation than punishment. If it were more concerned with justice, more people would be put to death for illegally taking the lives of others. It's what God commanded: “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image." (Gen. 9:6)
Our penal system is not about justice either. It’s about punishment and power.
quote:I just call it "The Lord's Day", because that is the only holy day commanded to be observed by Christians in the Scriptures
ETA today is Divine Mercy Sunday, coincidentally.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 1:38 pm to 4cubbies
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I view recidivism as a failure of the state to rehabilitate offenders who are in the care, custody and control of the state for various lengths of time.
Of course you do instead of placing blame on the actual criminal.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:02 pm to 4cubbies
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When have I advocated for anyone to be soft on crime? I view recidivism as a failure of the state to rehabilitate offenders who are in the care, custody and control of the state for various lengths of time. What does that have to do with being soft on crime?
Liberals advocate for soft on crime politics with their votes. Heck, Your whole purpose in life is dealing with criminals, many of whom have likely been dealt a soft hand. Some people can’t be fixed as they are career criminals, and innocents get harmed because we refuse to admit that, which gives you a job.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:04 pm to FooManChoo
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Our justice system is more focused on rehabilitation than punishment.
Be specific.
What programs do we have for rehabilitating convicted criminals?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:05 pm to djsdawg
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many of whom have likely been dealt a soft hand.
That's not what the facts say.
Are you like the guy above whose feelings don't care about facts?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:07 pm to wackatimesthree
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That's not what the facts say. Are you like the guy above whose feelings don't care about facts?
The facts say too many innocents are victims of repeat offenders. We can get that victim number down, and make society safer if we are tough on crime.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:09 pm to FooManChoo
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It's what God commanded: “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image."
Then why didn't God smite Moses dead?
Or David?
Or Paul?
If God commanded that everyone who shed blood shall have his own blood shed, how could He have worked with those guys as prophets and Kings of Israel and apostles?
Why didn't He order them killed instead? He did that a lot back then. Ordering people killed or just killing them Himself. Why not those three?
And how was them living not an affront to God's justice, if the text you quoted is a universally applied, non-negotiable command?
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:09 pm to djsdawg
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The facts say too many innocents are victims of repeat offenders.
Nope.
They literally say the opposite.
It's your feelings that tell you what you wrote.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:11 pm to djsdawg
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We can get that victim number down, and make society safer if we are tough on crime.
Also no data that I am aware of supports this conclusion.
Your feelings again.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:15 pm to jchamil
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Of course you do instead of placing blame on the actual criminal.
Two things can be true at the same time.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:17 pm to wackatimesthree
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Also no data that I am aware of supports this conclusion.
Just a single murder/rape/assault prevented proves the point.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:20 pm to djsdawg
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Liberals advocate for soft on crime politics with their votes.
What does this have to do with me?
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Heck, Your whole purpose in life is dealing with criminals, many of whom have likely been dealt a soft hand.
What? You don't get to determine what my purpose in life is.
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Some people can’t be fixed as they are career criminals, and innocents get harmed because we refuse to admit that, which gives you a job.
This is more evidence that you don't have a clue about how the criminal justice system actually works.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:22 pm to FooManChoo
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Our justice system is more focused on rehabilitation than punishment.
How?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:26 pm to 4cubbies
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How?
By giving you a job?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:27 pm to djsdawg
I don't work in a prison.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:28 pm to 4cubbies
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What does this have to do with me?
You didn’t vote for Trump.
What? You don't get to determine what my purpose in life is.
Don’t blame me for your choice of job.
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This is more evidence that you don't have a clue about how the criminal justice system actually works.
Everyone cannot be fixed. Absurd for you to insinuate otherwise, especially after you recently had a 20 page thread crying about one of your failures.
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