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We don't even know WHO we're fighting in Afghanistan, let alone WHY
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:31 pm
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The Lessons Learned interviews also reveal how U.S. military commanders struggled to articulate who they were fighting, let alone why.
Was al-Qaida the enemy, or the Taliban? Was Pakistan a friend or an adversary? What about the Islamic State and the bewildering array of foreign jihadists, let alone the warlords on the CIA's payroll? According to the documents, the U.S. government never settled on an answer.
As a result, in the field, U.S. troops often couldn't tell friend from foe.
"They thought I was going to come to them with a map to show them where the good guys and bad guys live," an unnamed former adviser to an Army Special Forces team told government interviewers in 2017. "It took several conversations for them to understand that I did not have that information in my hands. At first, they just kept asking: 'But who are the bad guys, where are they?' "
The view wasn't any clearer from the Pentagon.
"I have no visibility into who the bad guys are," Rumsfeld complained in a Sept. 8, 2003, snowflake. "We are woefully deficient in human intelligence
Philadelphia Inquirer
We didn't even know this in 2003, "shortly" after the war started.
Get. The. frick. Out. Of. Afghanistan. Iraq. Yemen. Syria. Africa. fricking. Right. Now.
No. More. Needless. Expensive. Wars. Killing. Our. Soldiers. And. Innocents.
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Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:33 pm to KosmoCramer
Yeah, not peacekeepers, go scorched earth or come home. When the bad guys regroup, scorched earth....rinse, repeat
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:34 pm to CamdenTiger
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When the bad guys regroup, scorched earth....rinse, repeat
Who are the bad guys?
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:36 pm to KosmoCramer
Whomever is in the area we scorch....
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:40 pm to CamdenTiger
GTFO.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:44 pm to KosmoCramer
It’s a disgrace what or military has become
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:45 pm to KosmoCramer
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GTFO.
Now that’s a good plan
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:36 am to CamdenTiger
My plan right after 9-11 would have saved us that problem. They were aiding and abetting Bin Laden and allowing terror groups on their soil. They grow poppies that are ultimately being used to kill Americans. We have no friends there.
We had just been hit. The nation would have supported any action we so chose to take and no one would have dared said anything about it.
We had a window. We should have used it to nuke the terrorist camps, Tora Bora, the Poppy Fields and any other targets in Afghanistan we deemed necessary. At the same time and elsewhere any SOB that had anything to do with 9-11 eats a Tomahawk or is assassinated.
We never set foot in Afghanistan. We let it be known that anyone that strikes us again will be instantly destroyed by nuclear strike. Jihad is over, boys. Shove that up your Wahabi. and eat Shi'ite, push us and get a visit from Mr. Kiloton and Mr. Megaton.
They would truly have feared us then. Many of the problems we have faced since that time, we would not have have, and a lot of Americans would be alive and well today that are not.
We had just been hit. The nation would have supported any action we so chose to take and no one would have dared said anything about it.
We had a window. We should have used it to nuke the terrorist camps, Tora Bora, the Poppy Fields and any other targets in Afghanistan we deemed necessary. At the same time and elsewhere any SOB that had anything to do with 9-11 eats a Tomahawk or is assassinated.
We never set foot in Afghanistan. We let it be known that anyone that strikes us again will be instantly destroyed by nuclear strike. Jihad is over, boys. Shove that up your Wahabi. and eat Shi'ite, push us and get a visit from Mr. Kiloton and Mr. Megaton.
They would truly have feared us then. Many of the problems we have faced since that time, we would not have have, and a lot of Americans would be alive and well today that are not.
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 3:41 am
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:53 am to antibarner
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They grow poppies that are ultimately being used to kill Americans.
And our military is protecting their production of this crop
Poppy production in Afghanistan is an at all time high
What are we doing there? I couldn't tell you but it's not supporting American interests.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:08 am to KosmoCramer
[img]Get. The. frick. Out. Of. Afghanistan. Iraq. Yemen. Syria. Africa. fricking. Right. Now. No. More. Needless. Expensive. Wars. Killing. Our. Soldiers. And. Innocents.[/img]
It blows my mind to think about how easily we were led into these "Regime Change Wars".
We let W. Bush invade Iraq because,"clearly,Sadaam Hussein was a bad man".
Obama continued that legacy of Regime Change in Libya.
I can't keep up with it anymore.
It blows my mind to think about how easily we were led into these "Regime Change Wars".
We let W. Bush invade Iraq because,"clearly,Sadaam Hussein was a bad man".
Obama continued that legacy of Regime Change in Libya.
I can't keep up with it anymore.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:14 am to tidalmouse
It's pretty difficult for most people to comprehend or accept. But our presence in Iraq alone has been fiscally more costly than WW2 even when adjusted for inflation.
That seems like it has to be impossible but it isn't.
ETA looks like I might be wrong on that but the cost was certainly significant and not off by the order of magnitude that you would expect
That seems like it has to be impossible but it isn't.
ETA looks like I might be wrong on that but the cost was certainly significant and not off by the order of magnitude that you would expect
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 4:24 am
Posted on 12/12/19 at 6:20 am to CamdenTiger
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Whomever is in the area we scorch....
Kill every single one of them and feed their bodies to pigs.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 6:34 am to Spaceman Spiff
That sounds like mass murder. Very Christian of you
Posted on 12/12/19 at 6:39 am to BigJake
Terrorists? I have zero problem with that.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 6:43 am to antibarner
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They grow poppies that are ultimately being used to kill Americans.
The Taliban didn't allow for poppies to be grown. Just prior to 9/11, opiates in any form were a rarity in the USA. In order to root out Al Queda, evidently, we aligned ourselves with some wannabe drug lords and criminals. The remnants of Al Queda were then protected by the Taliban...and almost two decades later-we are still there. Really, there is only one thing left to do
FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!
My guess is that Ukraine is pocket change compared to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 6:46 am to Spaceman Spiff
I went to Iraq in 03' at the very beginning of the war, when it was still the wild west. It was the same way in Iraq too. One day we were talking with a local leader and the very next day we were talking to his enemy, all the while paying a 3rd leader who hated both of them. It was insanity. The further i get away from my time in the military and my experience in Iraq, the more i weep for two of my brothers who didn't make it home. Islam is a complex issue that modern civilization has no chance to solve. Its one thing to be 20-30 years behind in society...but the middle east and Africa are literally 200 years behind. We cant even think on that level...let alone try and win a war on that level. Get us out...get us out now!!!
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 6:48 am
Posted on 12/12/19 at 6:47 am to KosmoCramer
when declaring war on a group of people as opposed to a nation, the war will never end. i mean......what dick from terrorist group will actually sit at the treaty table? no one.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 6:48 am to KosmoCramer
every time i saw this Afghanistan stuff posted on social media, of course they used a picture of Trump
the coordinated media's dishonesty knows no bounds
the coordinated media's dishonesty knows no bounds
Posted on 12/12/19 at 6:52 am to oldcharlie8
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what dick from terrorist group will actually sit at the treaty table? no one.
Didn't talks with the Taliban just recently fall apart? Supposedly, the terms were not far off from being acceptable to both sides.
The Taliban, for all their bluster about jihad, sure as frick don't want us there anymore than we want to be there. I see this ending sooner rather than later with the Trump administration in charge.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 6:57 am to KosmoCramer
U.S. warfighting capacity was gutted under Clinton.
In addition to being resource starved, a not-so-subtle shift occurred during the Balkans operations where building roads and a peaceful steady state became proxies for victory. Which is fine when you are already in stabilization operations.
Strategic and operational planners appeared to forget how to set mid-term and long-term goals to achieve victory.
How do I know this happened? I was in uniform that whole time and watched it happen before my very eyes.
In addition to being resource starved, a not-so-subtle shift occurred during the Balkans operations where building roads and a peaceful steady state became proxies for victory. Which is fine when you are already in stabilization operations.
Strategic and operational planners appeared to forget how to set mid-term and long-term goals to achieve victory.
How do I know this happened? I was in uniform that whole time and watched it happen before my very eyes.
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 7:05 am
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