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re: We Build Levees
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:22 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:22 am to TrueTiger
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OK then, that is the risk to compare.
Do that calculus and see what the answer is. I don't know.
Ok, I'm being clinical, not sarcastic. So don't take this wrong, ok.
Hydrogen Chloride Gas can kill people if they're exposed to it for too long. It's an acidic gas. When inhaled it can cause severe burns to the nasal cavities, throat, and especially lungs. Surface contact can cause burns to the skin and eyes.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 10:24 am
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:26 am to Wolfwireless
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Hydrogen Chloride Gas can kill people if they're exposed to it for too long. It's an acidic gas. When inhaled it can cause severe burns to the nasal cavities, throat, and especially lungs. Surface contact can cause burns to the skin and eyes.
I accept that.
I just want to compare the risks of using salt water vs the risk of destroying a city and lives.
It seems that both are risky. Which one is the bigger risk?
Show your work and I'll reasonably accept the answer.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:28 am to j_f
Yes, you are absolutely right.
And their mentality is what got California in the spot they are in, in the first place.
Literally 1000s of homes burned IN SIGHT of the ocean.
Madness.
And their mentality is what got California in the spot they are in, in the first place.
Literally 1000s of homes burned IN SIGHT of the ocean.
Madness.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:29 am to dovehunter
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Did anybody find it ironic to see ocean front home after home burn to the ground and the people wringing their hands because there was no water in the hydrants?
Salt water is less than ideal for firefighting for a number of reasons. Obviously when that's all you have to scoop up, that's what has to be done though.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:32 am to dovehunter
Have you seen those winds?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:33 am to dovehunter
If you give a Dem state billions of dollars for a levee system, millions will be siphoned off for other “projects”.
Living in California, just like the Louisiana coast, has inherent dangers. As with most issues, the citizens need to hold the leaders accountable.
Living in California, just like the Louisiana coast, has inherent dangers. As with most issues, the citizens need to hold the leaders accountable.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:35 am to Wolfwireless
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Hydrogen Chloride Gas can kill people if they're exposed to it for too long. It's an acidic gas. When inhaled it can cause severe burns to the nasal cavities, throat, and especially lungs. Surface contact can cause burns to the skin and eyes.
Well, they are using ocean water as we speak. So obviously they agree with me that it is OK to use in this situation.
They mention the environmental concerns, but of course all of the fire, smoke, melted metal and chemicals, are way worse for the environment that some salt water.
CBS NEWS: Firefighters battle fire with ocean water
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Los Angeles firefighters have resorted to using Pacific Ocean water to combat raging wildfires in Pacific Palisades as local hydrants there run dry.
Firefighters deployed specialized water-bombing planes out of Canada to scoop water from the ocean and drop it on the growing inferno.
"The firefighters are doing their very, very best, I promise you that," said Los Angeles Fire Chief Kristin Crowley. "And also, the air assets are a huge, huge asset that we are utilizing right now that will help Palisades."
I also thought this quote was funny: "Nearly unlimited water supply" Like there's a chance they MIGHT drain the Pacific.
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While the Pacific Ocean offers a nearly unlimited water supply
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:48 am to TrueTiger
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I accept that.
I just want to compare the risks of using salt water vs the risk of destroying a city and lives.
It seems that both are risky. Which one is the bigger risk?
Show your work and I'll reasonably accept the answer
Math and numbers are not my forte, brain isn't wired for it. So I wholly admit that's a question for somebody else.
And I wouldn't if I could. Creating a public health hazard, in what could very well be construed as a chemical warfare attack on citizens isn't a discussion that I want to have.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:52 am to Wolfwireless
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Creating a public health hazard, in what could very well be construed as a chemical warfare attack on citizens isn't a discussion that I want to have.
You may want to contact the LAFD. They are using ocean water as we speak.
Chemical warfare attack? Hyperbole much?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:56 am to Wolfwireless
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Hydrogen Chloride Gas can kill people if they're exposed to it for too long. It's an acidic gas. When inhaled it can cause severe burns to the nasal cavities, throat, and especially lungs. Surface contact can cause burns to the skin and eyes.
I have found no articles listing this as a concern. There are many references to corrosion, saltwater impact on soil, etc.
Nothing on the hydrogen chloride gas. Are you sure about this?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:04 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Well, they are using ocean water as we speak. So obviously they agree with me that it is OK to use in this situation.
Bjorn, I have seen your posts, what you think of inept, and corrupt govs. To which any of us with a lick of common sense, agree that Cali is a shining example of.
Let's think this comment thru here, ok?
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:07 am to Wolfwireless
Think it through in what way?
They are currently doing that which you say they can't do.
They are currently doing that which you say they can't do.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:07 am to Taxing Authority
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The thing is... they need periodic fires. If they had small fires to take out the ground fuel more often, they wouldn't have these big massive destructive fires.
No doubt. Controlled burns or prescribed burns are a necessity. Been a long standing practice everywhere.
I was just saying the ocean could be a last resort to save buildings. They could install a reserve pump or pumps to supply hydrants in the event they lose fresh water somehow. It wouldn’t be that hard with some separate valves. Then just flush the system. The salt in the yards doesn’t last as long as you would think.
Hurricanes send storm surge well inland all the time. The yards always come back after a little watering. They have to water their lawns up there anyway.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:31 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Think it through in what way?
They are currently doing that which you say they can't do.
"Think it through". In regards to how stupidly Cali's response to the emergency has been. And saying that they agree with you.
I don't think you're stupid. Just emotionally attached to the topic. But you know darn well there's trolls on here that will throw that target on you, with that comment.
"Can't do". Hmm. I did say that. Twice.
Valid point.
Is this that much of a gotcha tho? Cali is constantly in court, and losing, over things they... Proven... Can't do.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:33 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I also thought this quote was funny: "Nearly unlimited water supply" Like there's a chance they MIGHT drain the Pacific.
Lol yeah, that's funny
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:38 am to Wolfwireless
So they won't do it because of the environment and safety, but IF they do it, then it's still wrong, they are just stupid?
Also, I posted earlier that I have seen no evidence of the hydrogen chloride gas danger.
Also, I posted earlier that I have seen no evidence of the hydrogen chloride gas danger.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:39 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Creating a public health hazard, in what could very well be construed as a chemical warfare attack on citizens isn't a discussion that I want to have.
You may want to contact the LAFD. They are using ocean water as we speak.
Chemical warfare attack? Hyperbole much?
If the shoe was on the other foot, and it was Trump doing this... You know as well as I do, the media would accuse him of chemical warfare. So. "construed as".
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:58 am to Wolfwireless
Show me the evidence that this chemical danger even exists.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 12:38 pm to dovehunter
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Like having a generator for your home in case of a hurricane why wouldn't there be fire water pumps using Pacific Ocean Water to fight these fires. They are using airplanes now to scoop up ocean water for fire control. That's a little too little and a lot too late.
No chance of that. Seawater is extremely expensive to pump, transport and use. And you don’t know where the fires are going to be, so you would need to have seawater systems running all over California. It would bankrupt the state. Trust me; I have tremendous experience using seawater for firefighting systems and for seawater injection to recover hydrocarbons. I’d guess there are dozens of others reading this thread who have similar experience on offshore oil and gas platforms.
I think they have to use a combination of controlled burns, cleared fire breaks, and regular cleaning of the forest floors near residential areas. One thing is for sure, they can’t just sit around with their thumbs up their asses blaming climate change.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 12:40 pm to Revelator
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One would think that as close as they are to the ocean that desalination plants could be built to at least give water to fight wild fires?
No man, 10 times cheaper to build reservoirs and catch rainwater in the good times.
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