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re: Watched Lone Survivor again last night
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:19 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:19 pm to LegendInMyMind
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The withdrawal was a clusterfrick of epic proportions. That is not debatable.
We were pulling out of Afghanistan regardless. The Afghan forces that we sank billions of dollars in training and equipment into was going to collapse regardless. As soon as we stopped holding their hand there was never a doubt in how it would go.
We should have maintained control of Bagram throughout the withdrawal and destroyed anything we couldn't take with us.
100% concur.
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:20 pm to StrongOffer
That's a tomato tomato scenario
Trump's admin knew this and negotiated directly with the Taliban.
Trump's admin knew this and negotiated directly with the Taliban.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:21 pm to StrongOffer
Apparently the entire story is almost totally made up. The Taliban video taped the gunfight
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:21 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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There are a lot of people in the spec ops community with a visceral hatred for Marcus Lutrell and consider him a coward. Dudes that have a lot of standing refer to him as the lone runner.
I’ve listened to a few Teams guys talk about this. What they implied was being a “Lone Survivor” as a Teams guy is entirely antithetical to the SEAL mindset and should not be lauded. Rather, surviving while the rest of your teammates perished in the fight should be an absolute embarrassment, and certainly not something you try and turn into a book/film. Easy for me to say behind a keyboard, but this is what is being said by dudes who have actually had bullets whizzing past their heads.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:24 pm to Hawaiian Punch
Supposedly he was found with all full mags in his kit. It’s up in the air if he even fired his weapon. The movie has him picking people off left and right
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:27 pm to StrongOffer
Coincidentally, last night I watched a vid on YouTube that shows the ambush from the tali perspective. It’s shakey and doesn’t show much but the shooting is clear.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:33 pm to texag7
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Supposedly he was found with all full mags in his kit.
I’ve read this as well. I believe the source was the guy from the village that saved his arse.
I’ve also read that the team (I think it was Delta?) that went in to retrieve the bodies of the fallen SEALs said that there were few, if any, deceased enemy combatants.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:37 pm to Hawaiian Punch
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I’ve also read that the team (I think it was Delta?) that went in to retrieve the bodies of the fallen SEALs said that there were few, if any, deceased enemy combatants.
I’m pretty sure most people estimate the size of the enemy force to have been 8-12 guys. But they did have the high ground and belt fed machine guns so the seals were fricked no matter what.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:42 pm to Hawaiian Punch
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I’ve also read that the team (I think it was Delta?) that went in to retrieve the bodies of the fallen SEALs said that there were few, if any, deceased enemy combatants.
i dont think that means much. the bodies could have easily been removed before the Delta guys got there. but i do firmly believe that his account is wildly exaggerated.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:11 pm to bhtigerfan
I’ve often wondered why if you’re going to turn them loose why not tie their hands behind their backs and legs together so at the very least they are either hampered in their movements down to the village or have to spend time and effort getting freed.
Seems like the free pass where the son is portrayed in the movie as doing parkour back to the village is the worst option.
Seems like the free pass where the son is portrayed in the movie as doing parkour back to the village is the worst option.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:14 pm to HeadCall
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And what would you prefer? To still be there so more young men can die for a country that doesn’t matter?
As somebody that served there, I don't think we should have given up Bagram Airfield. I'm not saying we should have service members still conducting patrols, but I do think we should have left a presence there. Because of its size and location, it is a fairly safe and defensible and its located in a highly strategic location.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:18 pm to Powerman
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The execution was just awful.
Trump chose the dates he did because they would have made for a safer withdrawal from the country. His proposed timeline would have had the US withdrawing during the non-fighting season when the snow was still on the ground and mobility was highly limited. Biden stupidly pushed the withdrawal date to the middle of the summer during the height of the fighting season. For the life of me that is what I will never understand about Biden's timeline.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:23 pm to AgSGT
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, I don't think we should have given up Bagram Airfield.
Maybe, what would be the point? To occasionally go out and kill some bad guys? The frequency with which that would’ve happened probably can’t justify the expense.
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Because of its size and location, it is a fairly safe and defensible
It’s surrounded by high ground on all sides
It’s a shite position tactically. In order to defend it we’d have to keep in place all kinds of expensive and logistically high footprint equipment, not too mention a few hundred dudes just to guard the perimeter. Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:24 pm to AgSGT
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Trump chose the dates he did because they would have made for a safer withdrawal from the country. His proposed timeline would have had the US withdrawing during the non-fighting season when the snow was still on the ground and mobility was highly limited. Biden stupidly pushed the withdrawal date to the middle of the summer during the height of the fighting season. For the life of me that is what I will never understand about Biden's timeline.
Let’s not forget our vaunted CIA predicted it would take 3 months for the taliban to consolidate and take Kabul. It took 3 days.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:28 pm to StrongOffer
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Getting out of Afghanistan and returning it to the Taliban are 2 very different things.
I disagree. They are synonymous. There was never any chance whatsoever that the shitty Afghan government was going to last after we left.
Now, the manner in which Biden pulled out was absolutely retarded. But we had to leave at some point and cut losses. No one can fix Afghanistan. Everyone has tried. It’s an eternal tribal shithole that has never been and never will be anything different.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:30 pm to HeadCall
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It’s surrounded by high ground on all sides
That high ground is miles away, its not like from the high ground you are looking down into airfield.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:37 pm to HeadCall
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Maybe, what would be the point? To occasionally go out and kill some bad guys? The frequency with which that would’ve happened probably can’t justify the expense.
BAF's proximity to China is one big plus for keeping it under our control with just a couple thousand boots on the ground to control it
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:46 pm to HeadCall
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It’s surrounded by high ground on all sides It’s a shite position tactically.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:45 pm to StrongOffer
quote:What if we had never gone there to the extent we did? Who gets the blame for that?
Watched Lone Survivor again last night
StrongOffer
Such a great movie but pisses me off to no end knowing years later Joe Biden and his admin let the Taliban gain control back of Afghanistan. Biden should have been impeached for that and the only person who was fired was someone who criticized the decisions of the admin. Such a shameful bunch that Biden admin was. Sorry, rant over. "Never out of the fight" - Mike Murphy
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:58 pm to Pendulum
Not a popular opinion but I think we should never have left Iraq or Afghan. Those countries should have become small forward bases like Germany Korea and Japan. Permanently and forever US should have a presence and enforcement at those countries. We thought they were enough of a threat to go there we should never have left and we would be the custodians of those oil reserves and mines. Who give a a frick what everyone thinks. U.S. going there without the intent of staying and controlint anything good that could have come out of those shite holes. Edit: At least till every single penny we spent fighting there was paid
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