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re: Wading through the court transcripts from the book keeping error trial
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:53 pm to RedHog260
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:53 pm to RedHog260
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Paying an invoice to an attorney is a legal expense.
And this is not what occurred.
A portion of the payments were for legal expenses, but a portion of the payments was not.
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
true but I dont really see this being re-tried, do you? the machine got what they wanted, DJT is a convicted felon on paper
the propaganda machine gets their talking point
the propaganda machine gets their talking point
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:56 pm to Salviati
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That's not a relevance objection.
That's a credibility determination.
Relevance to Trump's case. Yes Cohen has no credibility. NY is a totally corrupt state pushing a leftist dictatorship.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:57 pm to supatigah
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but I dont really see this being re-tried, do you?
I don't know why they'd give up
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the machine got what they wanted, DJT is a convicted felon on paper
But if it gets reversed, that's gone.
I can't see them giving up.
Although, I do kind of welcome the jurisprudence on state crimes and the impact on the Presidency that would come.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:57 pm to RedHog260
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As far as I can tell during the whole trial no effort was made to connect the indictments with evidence of any sort. Spam is the best way I can describe it.
Only direct testimony came from Cohen the GLOAT.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
You stupid frick. It is exactly what happened. His accountant received the invoice, paid it and listed it as a legal expense. Trump signs checks that total between 23 and 29 million dollars every month. Do you think she knew what the money was for? Be nice to see what the invoice said. Do you suppose it listed the cost of a legal NDA?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:02 pm to RedHog260
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His accountant received the invoice, paid it and listed it as a legal expense.
You forgot listing expenses as legal services.
You forgot artificially inflating the "legal services" to account for taxes (which is a big no no for a reimbursement).
You also forgot how Cohen created a shell company to do this, who has no relationship to Trump Corporation, and that company (who made the payment to Daniels) was not reimbursed by Trump Corporation.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
You forget that Cohen admitted to stealing a portion of that payment — $30k.
It was ethical misconduct to even put Cohen on the stand.
This case will absolutely be thrown out on appeal for numerous legal and procedural errors.
It was ethical misconduct to even put Cohen on the stand.
This case will absolutely be thrown out on appeal for numerous legal and procedural errors.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:06 pm to Riverside
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You forget that Cohen admitted to stealing a portion of that payment — $30k.
And?
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It was ethical misconduct to even put Cohen on the stand.
No
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This case will absolutely be thrown out on appeal for numerous legal and procedural errors.
I agree the conviction will be overturned for various legal errors, but then it will be re-tried
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:20 pm to Riverside
quote:Even if Cohen was a convicted murderer, it's not "ethical misconduct to even put Cohen on the stand." Felons tend to associate with other felons, and those felons tend to be the only witnesses to the crimes. That's why felons are frequently witnesses for the state. You'd be hard-pressed to convict a Mafioso without the testimony of a felon.
You forget that Cohen admitted to stealing a portion of that payment — $30k.
It was ethical misconduct to even put Cohen on the stand.
Cohen's credibility is for the jury to decide. Unfortunately for Trump, they found Cohen's testimony to be credible.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Didn't Cohen testify to the scheme?
Not only are you autistic, you’re fricking retarded. I feel for your clients. How many of them get billed for your time spent on this site?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The case for the misdemeanor is pretty rock solid. The felony enhancement is where the issues lie.
Part of the issue is that the felony enhancement lies in the fact that the underlying crime is Federal, not NY State law. That can’t be brushed aside.
The FEC and Biden DOJ passed on prosecuting anything based on election interference or violating campaign finance law.
An individual state cannot try Federal law. They cannot reference it as an underlying crime unless that has been prosecuted and proven in Federal court. NY utilized that to create a loophole to prosecute misdemeanors that had passed the statute of limitations. Thats unconstitutional and a violation of Trump’s Civil Rights. The DA and judge have exposed themselves to criminal and civil rights charges should an appellate court overturn the conviction.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:24 pm to jorconalx
quote:quote:Not only are you autistic, you’re fricking retarded. I feel for your clients. How many of them get billed for your time spent on this site?
Didn't Cohen testify to the scheme?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 4:25 pm to bluestem75
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The FEC and Biden DOJ passed on prosecuting anything based on election interference or violating campaign finance law
based on what Brad Smith is saying they passed on prosecuting because there was no campaign finance laws violations committed on Trump’s behalf
Posted on 6/1/24 at 5:46 pm to Salviati
A lawyer may not ethically put a witness on the stand that he thinks may reasonably perjure himself.
It’s not the fact that Cohen is a felon, it’s that his felonies relate to perjured testimony under oath in various proceedings connected to this incident.
Cohen has given so many accounts of what occurred that it does rise to the level of ethical misconduct for the prosecution to base their case on Cohen’s testimony. No reasonable prosecutor would do so.
Of course, this illegitimate prosecution is not designed to achieve justice or seek truth.
It’s not the fact that Cohen is a felon, it’s that his felonies relate to perjured testimony under oath in various proceedings connected to this incident.
Cohen has given so many accounts of what occurred that it does rise to the level of ethical misconduct for the prosecution to base their case on Cohen’s testimony. No reasonable prosecutor would do so.
Of course, this illegitimate prosecution is not designed to achieve justice or seek truth.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
How can accounting transactions in 2017 influence an election in 2016?
How is an NDA classified on a financial statement? Are NDAs footnoted? Is there any IRS or GAAP guidelines for NDA? How did the State determine that payments to Cohen were not legal expenses?
Were the payments made to Cohen or the shell corporation?
How is an NDA classified on a financial statement? Are NDAs footnoted? Is there any IRS or GAAP guidelines for NDA? How did the State determine that payments to Cohen were not legal expenses?
Were the payments made to Cohen or the shell corporation?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:52 pm to DawginSC
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think you have a small misunderstanding of evidence.
I don’t but I don’t need someone that just defended a group based solely on their chosen cult name to tell me what I’m right and wrong on.
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They where thrown out because there wasn't enough evidence even to warrant a civil trial.
This is factually incorrect. The argument could be made there wasn’t enough proof but there was plenty of evidence In multiple swing States
You have a very narrow mind it what is and what isn’t.
Posted on 6/2/24 at 2:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
The payment to Daniels was not illegal. However if your attempt at levity is to be believed (got a legitimate link?) COHEN created a shell company. COHEN was reimbursed. The invoice was paid exactly as written. The invoice came from COHEN's office. Are you seeing a connection? Trump just signed the check. And let me see here, if I give a lawyer money to do my bidding it's a legal expense or I would not be using a lawyer.
Posted on 6/2/24 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Then the Trump Organization shouldn't have paid him back
Have you never handled working with a lawyer or contractor for a large corporation or company?
I worked for a large pharmaceutical company and we contract with a small business that was redesigning our office interior. Worked with them for 5 months and the work was done. I get a call 10 months later and was asked how working with the WAS GOING, and I explained that work ended long ago. Corporate HR then said they’d being getting billed for the past 10 months from that contractor. My response “AND YOU PAID IT?”
A lawyer like cohen will just write it up as legal expenses for his services. It’s that easy and the Trump organization is just gonna pay it because they’re not gonna dig into it too much.
Businesses do this scam all the time with big companies
This post was edited on 6/2/24 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 6/2/24 at 3:38 pm to RedHog260
“As far as I can tell during”
Did you sleep at a holiday inn express ?
Did you sleep at a holiday inn express ?
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