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re: Video of cop shooting a dude who is in his car.....
Posted on 5/5/19 at 5:03 pm to LukeSidewalker
Posted on 5/5/19 at 5:03 pm to LukeSidewalker
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You think the courts got this one right?
I don’t read any court action whatsoever in your link. It was a good shoot. If you don’t want shot, don’t bring anything that could be considered deadly force to an officer. They have the same right to defend their lives as anyone else. The fact that they are being killed at such alarming rates only shows that they are probably being too considerate.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 5:16 pm
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 5:41 pm to LukeSidewalker
There's no court action yet, just investigation.
And nope, officer could be in trouble. Although there was no criminal intent from officer, there were readily available avenues to avoid deadly force thus bringing any justification of deadly force into serious question.
It merely started with a traffic stop and drive off. That happens a whole lot. There had been no warning of a gun having been observed or any other prior effort to harm or kill any officer PRIOR TO moments surrounding officer shooting, so there would have been no reason to expect deadly intent from perp.
As for that acute moment, only the officer involved can speak to his momentary perceptions, but the driver was unquestionably trying to drive away BEFORE the officer put himself in front of an already moving car's path...the car even ended up clearly angling away from officer. Not to mention the officer had ample ability to sidestep the vehicle.
Bottom line, driving wrecklessly near a cop isnt intent to kill thus doesnt justify deadly force. Officer also has duty to avoid deadly force if possible, especially where intent of perp should have been more discernable to officer. Downvote away.
And nope, officer could be in trouble. Although there was no criminal intent from officer, there were readily available avenues to avoid deadly force thus bringing any justification of deadly force into serious question.
It merely started with a traffic stop and drive off. That happens a whole lot. There had been no warning of a gun having been observed or any other prior effort to harm or kill any officer PRIOR TO moments surrounding officer shooting, so there would have been no reason to expect deadly intent from perp.
As for that acute moment, only the officer involved can speak to his momentary perceptions, but the driver was unquestionably trying to drive away BEFORE the officer put himself in front of an already moving car's path...the car even ended up clearly angling away from officer. Not to mention the officer had ample ability to sidestep the vehicle.
Bottom line, driving wrecklessly near a cop isnt intent to kill thus doesnt justify deadly force. Officer also has duty to avoid deadly force if possible, especially where intent of perp should have been more discernable to officer. Downvote away.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:10 pm to davyjones
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BEFORE the officer put himself in front of an already moving car's path.
No, the car was backing up, had been rammed by another officer, and had stopped. The officer gets in front, the driver takes off toward the officer.
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Bottom line, driving wrecklessly near a cop isnt intent to kill thus doesnt justify deadly force.
Do you know the rules of this agency, or are you just making stuff up? Isn’t making the decision to wreck you out essentially using deadly force?
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Officer also has duty to avoid deadly force if possible, especially where intent of perp should have been more discernable to officer.
Again, you know this to be true, or are you just making shite up? And exactly how do you think you or the cops could possibly ascertain what the intent of the driver was at that point? Could his intent not just as easily been to take out as many as possible before being taken in, civilians and police both?
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:34 pm to troyt37
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by troyt37
1. Car had already backed up and pointed down the road and did begin to move forward however slightly it was before the cop got in path. Why else would the car reverse and point down the road before cop stepped out?
2. There's no rule of any agency that provides for or against use of deadly force for driving wrecklessly near a cop when no intent to harm or kill is apparent. It's just common sense.
3. I dont know what's true or not as far as what the cop perceived. Im merely giving my opinion as to what the video shows. For better or worse my opinion does come with the advantage of being a criminal law attorney who's been involved in such a case.
The concepts of law I referenced that applu are correct.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:46 pm to ApexTiger
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he posts a cop being killed in the line of duty at least once a week...
18 police officers have been feloniously killed in 2019. That projects out to 52 for the year. That would be down from 64 last year. 58 in 2017. 81 in 2016. 60 in 2015. 62 in 2014.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:49 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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The deceased perp.
Obama voter.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 6:49 pm to davyjones
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Bottom line, driving wrecklessly near a cop isnt intent to kill thus doesnt justify deadly force.
This was kind of my thinking watching the video. Having said that, I will not lose sleep over it. But it seemed avoidable by all parties involved.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:02 pm to the808bass
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Bottom line, driving wrecklessly near a cop when no intent to kill is readily apparent doesnt justify deadly force.
This was kind of my thinking watching the video. Having said that, I will not lose sleep over it. But it seemed avoidable by all parties involved.
I fixed my quote to apply to this case, as I see it. Of course in a situation wherein a person is driving wrecklessly with clear intent to harm or kill...guns free. But that's not what I saw in that vid.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:28 pm to davyjones
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1. Car had already backed up and pointed down the road and did begin to move forward however slightly it was before the cop got in path.
If you pause the video at 40 seconds, you’ll see the cop in front of the vehicle, weapon drawn, and the vehicle had not moved forward.
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2. There's no rule of any agency that provides for or against use of deadly force for driving wrecklessly near a cop when no intent to harm or kill is apparent. It's just common sense.
If you hit the gas with a cop standing in front of your vehicle, that would be both intent, and deadly force. I took a screen shot at 40 seconds, you should too. If you were standing where the cop was, and a car accelerated toward you, you would believe your life was in danger.
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For better or worse my opinion does come with the advantage of being a criminal law attorney who's been involved in such a case.
Well, there it is. Defense attorney, I’d guess.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:33 pm to 91TIGER
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A black officer and an illegal alien, won't see this on the MSM.
Police shootings don't really matter in the eyes of the media. White police shootings, now that is a whole different ball game. Everybody knows only white cops target innocent peeps for execution.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:35 pm to LukeSidewalker
That was absolutely the right call. Guy would have injured or killed anyone in his path. Two in the head was the only option. Great work by the police force on this one.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:36 pm to LukeSidewalker
Quick thinking by the cop, that idiot was a danger to society.... cop should have opened up his door afterwards and put one in his temple for safe measure.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:38 pm to troyt37
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by troyt37
I get it, you disagree with my opinion. No problem with that.
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Well, there it is. Defense attorney, I’d guess.
Ive done both. I just call em as I see em.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:39 pm to LosTigres0810
Great job by the cop the perp needed to be thought a lesson.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:39 pm to LukeSidewalker
Just watched again..... makes my dick hard seeing the good guys win!
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:43 pm to davyjones
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There had been no warning of a gun having been observed or any other prior effort to harm or kill any officer PRIOR TO moments surrounding officer shooting, so there would have been no reason to expect deadly intent from perp.
So it takes a gun to kill a police officer or civilians in the area, not a 3,000 pound car being recklessly driven into oncoming traffic and pedestrian walk lanes?
This is exactly why the world needs less lawyers.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:45 pm to davyjones
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I get it, you disagree with my opinion. No problem with that.
It’s not that I disagree with your opinion as much as you seem to be making your opinion up out of whole cloth. The video plainly shows the cop in front of the car, before the car moves forward.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:51 pm to CDawson
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So it takes a gun to kill a police officer or civilians in the area, not a 3,000 pound car being recklessly driven into oncoming traffic and pedestrian walk lanes?
This is exactly why the world needs less lawyers.
No, man, go back and read what I posted. Yes, a vehicle will do it but it must be coupled with clear intent that perp sought to harm or kill with the vehicle. Again, per my previous posts, I do not see such intent but instead a vehicle only being used to try to get away in that vehicle. The bold is where we disagree....it's a pretty common point of dispute in criminal proceedings. It isnt a shocking thing.
Im starting to wonder if the world may need MORE lawyers, sheesh.
ETA...
"a 3,000 pound car being recklessly driven into oncoming traffic and pedestrian walk lanes"
Didnt quite see that in the video either, certainly nothing that would warrant deadly force. If you're talking prospectively, or may have done this if not stopped....well that's just not how it works.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:43 pm to troyt37
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I don’t read any court action whatsoever in your link. It was a good shoot. If you don’t want shot, don’t bring anything that could be considered deadly force to an officer. They have the same right to defend their lives as anyone else. The fact that they are being killed at such alarming rates only shows that they are probably being too considerate.
oh, really?
"Same right as you and I"
Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:45 pm to the808bass
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seemed avoidable by all parties involved.
That applies to nearly every encounter.
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