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re: Very strict gun laws in Chicago yet gun crime is off the charts. More guns NOW!!
Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:21 pm to shel311
Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:21 pm to shel311
Of course not. Heck, the country with the most aircraft has the most aircraft related death/injury rate, same with car, motorcycles, etc.
Gun or weapons are to keep tyrants at bay. You can also use them for putting food on the table, removing varmints and pests, target practice, and shooting contests. Fundraisers known as "turkey shoots" are known for their extraordinary ability to raise money for worth while projects. Gun manuafacturers and dealers employ millions of people.
But PASSION must controlled.
Passionate Latins
Gun or weapons are to keep tyrants at bay. You can also use them for putting food on the table, removing varmints and pests, target practice, and shooting contests. Fundraisers known as "turkey shoots" are known for their extraordinary ability to raise money for worth while projects. Gun manuafacturers and dealers employ millions of people.
But PASSION must controlled.
Passionate Latins
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Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:37 pm to Timeoday
If you could take generationally marxist democrat controlled cities out of that data set, we would be among the very safest countries on earth.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:48 pm to Powerman
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One of the other obvious main problems - drugs and drug policy. The war on drugs has failed us and no matter how many times we double down on it we don't seem to learn our lesson. Decriminalization of drugs with an emphasis on rehabilitation as opposed to enforcement would probably pay dividends in a relatively short time frame.
You mean like this?
What Happened When Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs - The Atlantic
That ain't National Review, son.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The data are always just the data
The data are rarely the data.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:58 pm to BamaAtl
What is your ideal policy towards these tools that we call firearms?
Posted on 8/23/23 at 2:58 pm to BamaAtl
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The data are rarely the data.
You've never done legitimate data collection.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:15 pm to troyt37
quote:A valid one.
What kind of question is that?
quote:Read the OP, read what I quoted, then read my response.
Give me your question in English, and I can at least attempt to answer it.
It's extremely clear, after you do the abovei'd be happy to walk you through it if you can't grasp those simple concepts.
quote:No. I didn't state the original assertion, the OP did, so according to his assertion no it does not.
Does the number of crimes thwarted by people carrying guns work into the equation somewhere?
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:16 pm to hojo
quote:This is certainly fair.
Don't know the answer to this, but what I do know is that every country with strict gun laws is not a tyranny, but every tyranny has had strict gun control laws. You either believe in the right to protect yourself and your family or you believe the government should do it for you. If you are the latter, don't be surprised if the government starts protecting you from a lot of other things as well.
I was just responding to the OP's specific point about the safest places with the least gun crimes are places with the most guns. If that is true, then the US would have less gun crime per capita than all those other countries who have way less guns per capita than the US, per the OP's logic.
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:18 pm to Timeoday
quote:So then your statement below in the OP is not true, you're conceding it's not true if you answer "of course not" to that question.
Of course not.
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It should make sense to anyone if you want less guns involved in crime, make sure anyone not in prison or jail or adjudged absolutely crazy, is able to carry a gun if they wish.
It can't be both, it can only be 1 or the other.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 3:54 pm to shel311
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A valid one.
What is valid about it? Is it valid to ask if the same number of people fall out of trees on Georgia, versus those who live in the Sahara desert?
I’m not sure I’m interpreting the question correctly, but that seems to be the gist of it.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:11 pm to troyt37
quote:Same as the previous post, Read the OP, read what I quoted, then read my response. .
What is valid about it?
quote:You're asking me that but shouldn't you be asking the OP? I didn't make the assertion in question
Is it valid to ask if the same number of people fall out of trees on Georgia, versus those who live in the Sahara desert?
quote:The OP said the places with the least gun violence are the places with the most guns. So by that logic, if the US has more guns than other places, the US should have less gun deaths than those countries.
I’m not sure I’m interpreting the question correctly, but that seems to be the gist of it.
Again, I didn't create the statement/logic, I just responded to it.
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:25 pm to shel311
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The OP said the places with the least gun violence are the places with the most guns. So by that logic, if the US has more guns than other places, the US should have less gun deaths than those countries.
Well, if you insist on comparing apples to cowboy boots, enjoy the results, I guess.
At best, it’s a simplistic and myopic take on the issue, seemingly fueld by the notion that making the people defenseless, makes the predators harmless. The only way it isn’t a logical fallacy is if criminals obeyed the law. But they wouldn’t be criminals if they did.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:39 pm to Timeoday
Gun laws are for people who obey the law.
Criminals don’t care.
Criminals don’t care.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 4:57 pm to shel311
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It can't be both, it can only be 1 or the other.
Are you really that ignorant? If you want less carpenters shot on job sites, remove nail guns. I get your naive mindset.
More guns less crime is a proven fact. One can simply look at the metro areas with the most restrictive gun laws vs. metro areas with less restrictive gun laws gun crime rates to settle that obvious argument.
The graph you saw in my previous response to you should have removed any doubt whatsoever.
If GUNS are so bad, why use virus and vaccines?
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 8/23/23 at 5:21 pm to Timeoday
Gun restrictions only effect people that weren't going commit gun crime. The gun criminals are going to find their guns.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 8:13 pm to troyt37
quote:3rd time, you're attributing the OP logic to my logic. I'm using the OP logic to make the point, you seem to be missing that.
Well, if you insist on comparing apples to cowboy boots, enjoy the results, I guess.
quote:Is that aimed at the OP?
At best, it’s a simplistic and myopic take on the issue, seemingly fueld by the notion that making the people defenseless, makes the predators harmless. The only way it isn’t a logical fallacy is if criminals obeyed the law. But they wouldn’t be criminals if they did.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 8:26 pm to shel311
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3rd time, you're attributing the OP logic to my logic. I'm using the OP logic to make the point, you seem to be missing that.
Wrong, Scooter. Op’s logic is comparing Americans and Americans. Your logic is comparing Americans and other people who don’t enjoy our liberty, freedom, and rights.
quote:
Is that aimed at the OP?
Was it addressed to the OP?
Posted on 8/24/23 at 10:58 am to troyt37
quote:Nope, that's where the error on your part was.
Was it addressed to the OP?
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