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re: Vermont House passes a staggering abortion bill
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:32 pm to Big_Slim
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:32 pm to Big_Slim
quote:Shake summarized the position of MANY persons who support abortion rights. I phrase it this way:quote:God damn shake just gained some respect for you. I don’t put too much thought to abortion because I think it dominates way too much of the political sphere already especially when there are dozens of other issues that should be at the forefront, but this is about where I fall (besides the liberal part).
I'm a pro choice liberal and I just want to go on record as condemning "any stage of pregnancy for any reason whatsoever" in the strongest possible terms. Even I would stand outside and protest/fight that.
I'm pro choice because I think the few first months are a legitimate grey area as to what "life" can be defined as, I have no desire to hurt anyone much less a child, but that's very clearly not the case at 9 months.
Abortion is extraordinarily serious, it MUST be treated that way. This is too cavalier by a thousand miles.
"Give the pregnant woman a few months to decide whether she wants to continue the pregnancy, while the fetus is still far from sentience. If she waits beyond that limited time, she waives the right to abort as birth control, because the fetus is developing toward sentience."
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 3:35 pm
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Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:33 pm to AggieHank86
Oh, joy. Hank is Hanksplaining things to us!!!
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:34 pm to Big_Slim
its one of the few things where I can understand the other side, I totally get it, I respect their opposition to this and would never want to quiet it.
the crux seems to be, "when does life begin", and there simply isn't a definitive scientific answer to that imo. if you think its at conception, I disagree but I cant prove you wrong. so yes, you should absolutely go protest, you should state your case to the public and try to convince others.
the crux seems to be, "when does life begin", and there simply isn't a definitive scientific answer to that imo. if you think its at conception, I disagree but I cant prove you wrong. so yes, you should absolutely go protest, you should state your case to the public and try to convince others.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:35 pm to AggieHank86
Then why did the Dems shoot down every completely reasonable amendment the Repubs proposed?
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:38 pm to SSpaniel
quote:
Oh, joy. Hank is Hanksplaining things to us!!!
I liked shakes original explanation way better. Hank almost swung me back to completely pro life with all that sentience bullshite.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:47 pm to Sun God
quote:Well, your question assumes that all of the proposed amendments were "reasonable," and I have been unable to find a comprehensive list of them.
Then why did the Dems shoot down every completely reasonable amendment the Repubs proposed?
Several had no relevance to the substantive legislation (e.g. sale of fetal tissue, consent of the father, etcetera).
I saw only one proposed amendment that I would consider "reasonable." It would have limited on-demand abortion to 24 weeks and allowed abortion thereafter only for medical necessity.
Personally, I would have supported that amendment (even going back to 16 weeks or a bit earlier), and I suspect that Shake would say the same.
Politically, I would have encouraged it, in exchange for a promise of x-number of GOP votes (to provide political cover and claim that the legislation was bipartisan).
Why did no Vermont Dems shoot it down? I cannot find any good reporting concerning debate on the amendments, but it could have been a number of things. Pressure from extremists within the party. Fear of the slippery slope. Etcetera.
Whatever their excuse may be for rejecting that amendment, I likely would disagree with it.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:55 pm to AggieHank86
LINK
This describes some of the more common sense amendments and a little bit of why they were voted down
Other amendments were parental permission for underage girls, inspection of places that do abortions, etc.
This describes some of the more common sense amendments and a little bit of why they were voted down
Other amendments were parental permission for underage girls, inspection of places that do abortions, etc.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:09 pm to Sun God
quote:Thanks for the link. Informative article. Out-of-state reporters could learn something from this little Vermont publication.
This describes some of the more common sense amendments and a little bit of why they were voted down
Other amendments were parental permission for underage girls, inspection of places that do abortions, etc.
It looks like the GOP was offering a series of amendments that have already been struck down as unconstitutional in other states, except for the one that I discussed above.
Again, I personally and politically would have accepted the 24-week amendment.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:51 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
LOL! Says the guy tucked in between Gulf Shores and Destin. When you can afford to live South of Anna Maria Island I will allow you to take your arse whipping like a true sporting man. But you will have to tip generously after I give you the most professionally served arse whipping you have ever had. I don’t teach lessons for free.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:00 pm to Dick Leverage
quote:
South of Anna Maria Island
My house is worth more than just about everything there.
No one is impressed.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:05 pm to Mike da Tigah
What the frick is going on in this country?
Is this some NWO, population too big?
Is this some NWO, population too big?
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:30 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Several states have passed legislation allowing open carry of firearms, concealed carry of firearms, etcetera.
Many fierce advocates of the 2nd Amendment assure us that 2A ALREADY guaranteed the right to open carry and to concealed carry. Why pass the legislation that "does nothing?"
Because they want to enshrine THEIR UNDERSTANDING into their states' statutory codes, right
Well here I will help you out with the very glaring difference
Conservatives have always said that their understanding of what the second amendment grants includes those rights. The left disagreed with us but we didn't pretend that we didn't actually support those things
Conversely. Conservatives have long pointed out that expanding health exceptions to include mental health effectively meant that there was virtually no restriction all the way up till birth.
Up until very recently though you would have been hard-pressed to get very many pro-choice people to admit they actually supported that. Instead they all acted like you were a fricking nut job making shite up when you said that was the case
So yes. They are finally admitting via this enshrining of the rights you mentioned that conservatives were right about what they really supported all along
Sadly even as they admit it they pretend they're not doing what they're obviously doing.
The bottom line is the left has now gone on record as a party as supporting abortion all the way up until birth even when the baby is viable and even when the baby is healthy for reasons beyond just the physical health of the mother
That's new ground. The left has never openly acknowledged that belief before
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:54 pm to AggieHank86
Are people in a coma sentient?
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:59 pm to Adam Banks
quote:Not this tired discussion again. If you want my views, use the search feature.
Are people in a coma sentient?
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:03 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:
OK, so 30 seconds before coming out of it’s mother’s vagina it’s a blob of tissue
It's fricking crazy we are talking about this.
I can't even.
When penguins will watch over their egg for 4 months insulating it while mom goes to eat after almost starving; to then seeing junior being born and giving it shelter and food (father does all thus by the way); to mom returning in 4 months to take his place while he goes off to eat after nit eating for MONTHS. All for one child.
What the frick is wrong with humanity? Burn it down.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:16 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
F Vermont. They are not my people
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:29 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:
Vermont
Now I’m going to have to buy my maple syrup from Canada. Never thought I’d say that.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:39 pm to Mike da Tigah
Jeesuzz. What the hell is the matter with people. This is way beyond sick. So both of my kids were born a couple weeks early but very healthy babies. These sickos say go ahead and kill them, it's ok. They don't count at all. Unfathomable! I'm beyond with these freaking wack jobs.
I have to guess they are trying to force the SCOTUS to take it up. Thank God Trump was elected otherwise, a Hilary appointed Supreme Court would have allowed this non-sense federally.
I guess the good thing is there is going to be a red wave in the next election.
I have to guess they are trying to force the SCOTUS to take it up. Thank God Trump was elected otherwise, a Hilary appointed Supreme Court would have allowed this non-sense federally.
I guess the good thing is there is going to be a red wave in the next election.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:56 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
What the frick is going on in this country? Is this some NWO, population too big?
abortion for any reason at any time without parental consent? Why? If I were a sex trafficker or had sex with an underage girl and a pregnancy occurred, that baby is a liability and evidence of the crime. DNA. Now in Vermont (If it passes) you can force her there and get rid of the problem with no questions asked. What happens to medical waste? It's incinerated. Evidence gone. THAT's my take on why this is happening.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 7:00 pm to SmackoverHawg
quote:
abortion for any reason at any time without parental consent? Why? If I were a sex trafficker or had sex with an underage girl and a pregnancy occurred, that baby is a liability and evidence of the crime. DNA. Now in Vermont (If it passes) you can force her there and get rid of the problem with no questions asked. What happens to medical waste? It's incinerated. Evidence gone. THAT's my take on why this is happening.
What the frick is wrong with you?
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