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Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:02 pm to Cosmo
In that it has non-zero value, I would agree.
The actual value of them is probably lower than the cost.
The actual value of them is probably lower than the cost.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
It’s an unknown and a rare time the “natural immunity vs vaccination” argument holds water.
Numbers estimated but:
Expose yourself to 0.0001% risk three+ times or expose yourself once to 0.0003% risk?
First do no harm.
Numbers estimated but:
Expose yourself to 0.0001% risk three+ times or expose yourself once to 0.0003% risk?
First do no harm.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:07 pm to Tiguar
quote:Is that apples to apples though? Risk of what?
Expose yourself to 0.0001% risk three+ times or expose yourself once to 0.0003% risk?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:07 pm to the808bass
quote:
The actual value of them is probably lower than the cost
This is only when given to the younger population.
Probably dirt cheap if you look at the 50+ or obese crowd.
Just preventing us from using ONE remdesivir pays for 100 vaccinations.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
Myocarditis.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:we should know a whole lot more since Fauci has been financing gain-of-function research with our tax money.
We do have a lot to learn.
Why don’t we know more?!? Where’s the return on that investment?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:09 pm to Tiguar
quote:Right, but Covid presents a lot more risks than just myocarditis. I do not think that's true for the vaccine.
Myocarditis.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
It does. But the person who is at risk for relevant myocarditis isn’t at much risk for covid:
Athletic males under 30
Athletic males under 30
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:11 pm to Tiguar
quote:But certainly the aggregate bundle of non-myocarditis risks still adds up to more than zero. I don't think your comparative formulation was fair.
It does. But the person who is at risk for relevant myocarditis isn’t at much risk for covid:
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Right, but Covid presents a lot more risks than just myocarditis. I do not think that's true for the vaccine.
wrong
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:12 pm to Padme
quote:
there are twice as many hospitalizations as a year ago, and yet a year ago there were no vaccines. Quite a paradox.
A year ago people were isolated and wearing masks and scared of catching covid.
So it kinda proves fauci and them right that it would slow the spread
I don’t think it was the right thing to do in fact I think it was the exact wrong thing to do. At least for so long. But isolating will decrease the spread
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:12 pm to Big Scrub TX
It may, it may not. We don’t know. I wouldn’t turn someone down who wants it but I’m not recommending it, either.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:13 pm to Tiguar
quote:
Just preventing us from using ONE remdesivir pays for 100 vaccinations.
damn. i heard remdesiver was expensive, but that is ridiculous
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:14 pm to Klark Kent
It doesn’t even really do anything.
Remdesivir and Actemra are murdering drug budgets across the country.
Remdesivir and Actemra are murdering drug budgets across the country.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:17 pm to Tiguar
why tho? they are anti-virals correct? why don’t they work? COVID just doesn’t react to it?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:22 pm to Klark Kent
You’re asking a complicated question. Think about how not all antibiotics kill every bacteria just because they’re antibiotics.
In addition, remdesivir is used on hospitalized patients. By the time you’re hospitalized, the virus has already started a chain of events that may or may not be reversible.
Studies have shown it MIGHT reduce a hospital stay by 1-2 days if it does anything.
It didn’t reduce mortality or progression to a vent. It just made you get better slightly quicker if you were going to get better anyway.
Somehow this got approved for covid use and Gilead saw fit to charge 3-5k per course of therapy.
Actemra is used to “pause” the cytokine storm and showed promise early. It reduced 30day mortality in patients receiving steroids. But it did not reduce 90day mortality- this suggests it may just delay the inevitable. It costs 4-12k depending on dose and if you get one or two doses.
In addition, remdesivir is used on hospitalized patients. By the time you’re hospitalized, the virus has already started a chain of events that may or may not be reversible.
Studies have shown it MIGHT reduce a hospital stay by 1-2 days if it does anything.
It didn’t reduce mortality or progression to a vent. It just made you get better slightly quicker if you were going to get better anyway.
Somehow this got approved for covid use and Gilead saw fit to charge 3-5k per course of therapy.
Actemra is used to “pause” the cytokine storm and showed promise early. It reduced 30day mortality in patients receiving steroids. But it did not reduce 90day mortality- this suggests it may just delay the inevitable. It costs 4-12k depending on dose and if you get one or two doses.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:24 pm to Tiguar
quote:
Probably dirt cheap if you look at the 50+ or obese crowd.
Yes. Obviously.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:25 pm to Tiguar
quote:Meanwhile, we know the vaccines absolutely mitigate acuity, and yet we're determined to ignore that obvious fact.
You’re asking a complicated question. Think about how not all antibiotics kill every bacteria just because they’re antibiotics.
In addition, remdesivir is used on hospitalized patients. By the time you’re hospitalized, the virus has already started a chain of events that may or may not be reversible.
Studies have shown it MIGHT reduce a hospital stay by 1-2 days if it does anything.
It didn’t reduce mortality or progression to a vent. It just made you get better slightly quicker if you were going to get better anyway.
Somehow this got approved for covid use and Gilead saw fit to charge 3-5k per course of therapy.
Actemra is used to “pause” the cytokine storm and showed promise early. It reduced 30day mortality in patients receiving steroids. But it did not reduce 90day mortality- this suggests it may just delay the inevitable. It costs 4-12k depending on dose and if you get one or two doses.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:28 pm to Tiguar
interesting. thanks
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