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Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:38 pm
This guy has a really good Substack which he formed to explain guns to the left. He's not an anti-vaxxer, but this is a great piece:
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I took Pfizer and had zero issues so I’m inclined to believe the vaccine isn’t going to kill me, which inclines me to probably get booster shots. But it’s looking increasingly like vaccine conveyed immunity probably only lasts six months. I have never heard of a vaccine that only lasts six months. Our last great Vaccine Culture War was over the HPV vaccine, which cost $500 a shot and even if applied universally across over 300 million people would only avert a thousand or less cervical cancer deaths per year. Lots of people argued about the Return on Investment (ROI) on that one. But if the HPV vaccine only lasted six months, I don’t think the pro-vax community would have even allowed them to call it a vaccine.
Outbreaks in several of the most vaccinated countries in the world seem to indicate that this vaccine, even if universally applied, will not eliminate Covid-19. The best description for this treatment, based on what we know now, is that it’s a targeted temporary immune booster. And that the “vaccine mandate” should at least be changed in nomenclature to “targeted temporary immune booster mandate.”)
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Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
So it’s basically a proactive equivalent of tamiflu?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
Policy needs to stop being built around one vaccine with poor immunity duration. People keep talking about Pfizer lasting 6 months as if that is the final word.
Moderna exists and Novavax may have something to say about both.
Mandates are stupid- premature mandates are even more stupid.
Moderna exists and Novavax may have something to say about both.
Mandates are stupid- premature mandates are even more stupid.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:47 pm to Tiguar
quote:My belief is that if we had had years to develop these, the outcome for a regimen would have been something like "it's a total of 3 shots, 9-13 months apart".
Policy needs to stop being built around one vaccine with poor immunity duration. People keep talking about Pfizer lasting 6 months as if that is the final word.
Moderna exists and Novavax may have something to say about both.
Mandates are stupid- premature mandates are even more stupid.
We do have a lot to learn. However, there still is basically no argument at all that the vaccines have been a net benefit to the vaccinated. I suppose you could make a cost-per-shot inquiry to see if those gains were worth it, but I would imagine those absolute dollars pale in comparison to all the "stimulus" money.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
Just heard today that there are twice as many hospitalizations as a year ago, and yet a year ago there were no vaccines. Quite a paradox.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:a varied net benefit.
We do have a lot to learn. However, there still is basically no argument at all that the vaccines have been a net benefit to the vaccinated
The net benefit for a 25 year old healthy person is so small that it can't rationally be supported. On the other hand then that benefit for a 75-year old is pretty solid
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
Cost was in the low billions. Vaccines are wildly successful if they convince democrats to not rape the economy again.
Vaccines have been a huge benefit to certain vaccinated people and not very beneficial to others.
You’re probably correct there would be an actual established vaccine schedule conferring better immunity under normal circumstances.
Vaccines have been a huge benefit to certain vaccinated people and not very beneficial to others.
You’re probably correct there would be an actual established vaccine schedule conferring better immunity under normal circumstances.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:54 pm to Tiguar
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Policy needs to stop being built around one vaccine with poor immunity duration.
This would do wonders.
If the government agencies/media would just say, "we don't know what the F this virus will do but talk with your doctor and do something. There are plenty of drugs and several vaccines that may or may not work, use what you think is best."
I'm not antivax but you would have a hard time convincing me that Fauci knows any more than me
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:54 pm to Tiguar
If we vaccinate 300M, cost will be somewhere around $30-$40B.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:55 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Really? What's the downside? The stats I've seen still clearly make it worthwhile.
The net benefit for a 25 year old healthy person is so small that it can't rationally be supported.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:55 pm to Padme
quote:Eh, not really. Delta is a lot more infectious.
Just heard today that there are twice as many hospitalizations as a year ago, and yet a year ago there were no vaccines. Quite a paradox.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:56 pm to the808bass
quote:Like he said, if all it does is prevent another "stimulus" or lockdown, then it's worth it many times over.
If we vaccinate 300M, cost will be somewhere around $30-$40B.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
World was locked down a year ago as well. Cannot compare cohorts.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Eh, not really. Delta is a lot more infectious.
What about Mu, Omega, Epislon etc etc
How infectious will those be?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:59 pm to the808bass
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If we vaccinate 300M, cost will be somewhere around $30-$40B.
A lot better than the trillions we wasted on other shite
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:59 pm to SDVTiger
quote:I don't know. What's your point?
What about Mu, Omega, Epislon etc etc
How infectious will those be?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:00 pm to SDVTiger
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What about Mu, Omega, Epislon etc etc
How infectious will those be?
You don't even want to know it will be super crazy infectious and you'll need to wear three masks.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I don't know
Obviously
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What's your point?
That 97% of this is bs
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
Clinically relevant myocarditis becomes a factor in the risk/benefit analysis for males below 30.
It’s still lower than covid itself BUT you’re guaranteeing exposure to the risk rather than rolling the dice in exposure to the risk.
Not really worth it if multiple boosters are going to be necessary.
It’s still lower than covid itself BUT you’re guaranteeing exposure to the risk rather than rolling the dice in exposure to the risk.
Not really worth it if multiple boosters are going to be necessary.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:02 pm to fjlee90
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So it’s basically a proactive equivalent of tamiflu?
No. It is a huge boost to some people making vaccines. There's like 9 new billionaires in the vaccine industry. It is a great scam when you consider how many side effects the vaccines have and no one can sue them.
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