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re: USMC Commandant doesn’t believe in protecting the country
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:49 pm to OchoDedos
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:49 pm to OchoDedos
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Why have the last few Commandants been such fricking pussies?
Democrats...when you're in that level of the stratosphere, and retirement is staring them in the face, their political inhibitions go flying out the window.
More like Odumbf*ck politicizing every branch and office in government for EIGHT F*CKING YEARS.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 1:52 pm
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:49 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
At that level you are talking about a politician not a Marine.
The Commandant is playing politics likely at the behest of someone in Congress.
My point is, he's full of shite.
The Commandant is playing politics likely at the behest of someone in Congress.
My point is, he's full of shite.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:49 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Sounds like Trump needs to relieve him of his command.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:51 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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He wants his Marines to be the most effective fighting force they can be. Playing border patrol doesn’t help that goal.
bullshite, not every Marine unit would be at the border 24/7. You could still hold training ops with other units not at the border.
His undermining of his own Commander does not send a good message to everybody else that the brass (most of them Obama holdovers) are all in on fricking up a duly elected president’s prerogative. One that the people elected him almost specifically for, border security.
The Commandant of the United States Marine Corps does not have the country’s protection in heart.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:55 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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bullshite, not every Marine unit would be at the border 24/7. You could still hold training ops with other units not at the border.
And you would completely burn out your force when they should be in garrison preparing for their next rotation or tdy for exercise
Like I said send the guard not active duty Marines
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:58 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Recruit more marines and boost my housing market a little more. I could use the extra equity.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:59 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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not our job.
Yes it is
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:00 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Your misrepresentation of the Commandant's statements aside, sitting at the border is not our job.
Actually, protecting the safety of this country at home and abroad from foreign or domestic enemies. Is, in fact, the military’s job.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:01 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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unacceptable risk to Marine Corps combat readiness and solvency.”
I think what the Commandant is saying is that his marines are better at going to a place where theres actual combat than guarding a border against mostly migrant workers and their families (obviously there are very questionable people indispersed among them).
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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He isn't wrong. It's not our fricking job.
Just curious. Do you mean it's not the Marines job or that the border should not be protected?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:03 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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And you would completely burn out your force when they should be in garrison preparing for their next rotation or tdy for exercise
How are you burning out the force by telling them “stand here, do not let anybody cross this line”. You can put the national guard, active duty Marines, active duty Army, and Marine Reserves at the border. They can all get some action.
There’s over 600,000 active duty Marine and Army personnel with over 550,000 National Guardsmen, Army Reservists, and Marine Reservists. There’s plenty of bodies to go around.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:04 pm to FredBear
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Just curious. Do you mean it's not the Marines job or that the border should not be protected?
The main concern is that this runs the risk of blurring the line between Title 10 and Title 32 responsibilities.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:05 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I think what the Commandant is saying is that his marines are better at going to a place where theres actual combat than guarding a border against mostly migrant workers and their families (obviously there are very questionable people indispersed among them).
And I understand that. But the Marines have enough people in both an active duty and reserve capacity to handle both.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:11 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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How are you burning out the force by telling them “stand here, do not let anybody cross this line”. You can put the national guard, active duty Marines, active duty Army, and Marine Reserves at the border. They can all get some action.
Have you ever deployed?
That shite is a fricking 24/7 grind no matter where you go unless it’s a kush spot even then you work every day.
You have to take care of your people and properly train them or they will burn out and get out. A shitty rentention rate is not what the military needs.
Also not to mention not every job is trained to stand guard.
I’ve come across plenty of people I don’t trust with a weapon let alone my life.
USMC leadership isn’t the first to voice their opinion on this. JSOC and other commands have done the same.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:11 pm to NYNolaguy1
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solvency
Solvency? You don't have any solvency. You swore to protect the US from enemies, Domestic and Foreign. And you don't decide who those enemies are.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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That shite is a fricking 24/7 grind no matter where you go unless it’s a kush spot even then you work every day.
Working for 210-425 straight days without a break wears down anyone. Even when you have times where you are doing your best to cram 5 days worth of work into 7.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:13 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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And I understand that. But the Marines have enough people in both an active duty and reserve capacity to handle both
Issue is the Marines who are actually capable of doing the job isn’t that large
Sending a bunch of support personal to stand guard isn’t good or effective
When they need to be supporting the people who do the mission.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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He isn't wrong. It's not our fricking job.
Then whose job is it? I would gleefully deploy to the Southern Border, but would not be too happy about being sent to God-only-knows-where for God-only-knows-what, so tell me again how sending folks to places like Afghanistan is protecting the United States.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:17 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Mission isn’t sexy enough for the commandant. That’s all there really is to it.
Honestly though it should be an army function. The Marines should be forward deployed and on ships. We should only be sending the army overseas in the event of all our war. I don’t even think Army SF should exist.
Honestly though it should be an army function. The Marines should be forward deployed and on ships. We should only be sending the army overseas in the event of all our war. I don’t even think Army SF should exist.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:19 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
yeah this (the commandant's position) is both right and wrong
on one hand, it's the usmc's job to go wherever in the world the president tells you to go
on the other hand, border protection is an army thing; not the purpose of an expeditionary force
in this particular case, it's a bad look for the commandant to bitch about the president ordering you somewhere, imo
on one hand, it's the usmc's job to go wherever in the world the president tells you to go
on the other hand, border protection is an army thing; not the purpose of an expeditionary force
in this particular case, it's a bad look for the commandant to bitch about the president ordering you somewhere, imo
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 2:21 pm
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