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re: US Senate votes to TERMINATE President Trump's 50% tariffs on Brazilian imports, 52-48.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:24 am to wdhalgren
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:24 am to wdhalgren
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Well, if Paul and the other 51 who voted against tariffs would vote for balanced budgets
He does, and you folks melt down about it and call him "obstructionist."
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He does, and you folks melt down about it and call him "obstructionist."
Well, when his friends oppose balanced budgets, then he should vote for whatever else might offset their fiscal insanity. Rand is "obstructing" any possible solution. He votes for balanced budgets knowing full they won't pass, and then he votes with people who won't pass them to obstruct any other attempts at a solution. That's not the voice of someone trying to fix the problems.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 9:29 am
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:28 am to GumboPot
Rand Paul has always been against tariffs. Agree with his stance on the subject or not, he’s not doing this to get at Trump like some others may be doing. He’s always held this view point.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:31 am to wdhalgren
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Rand is "obstructing" any possible solution.
No he isnt. The only real solution we have is to stop spending more than we make and he consistently backs this.
Y'all have been lied to. Its impossible to grow the economy enough to overcome the debt without massive new technology that is immediately ready to go.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:35 am to BigPerm30
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Essentially, I agree with Rand that free trade is the cornerstone of capitalism. Unfortunately, he’s wrong because the rest of the world doesn’t participate in free trade so we frick ourselves. Sit this one out Rand
Right, in theory land free trade is cool.In reality, boots on the ground, it is stupid to bend over and take it out of loyalty to a theory.
Pretty hard to get rich and fat eating pie in the sky.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No he isnt. The only real solution we have is to stop spending more than we make and he consistently backs this.
Rand is trying to "fix" our problems by destroying the currency. What we need right now is to fix our twin deficits one way or another before the US dollar disappears in a very rapid implosion. A pragmatic person faced with that scenario would take whatever means is available to mitigate the dollar damage. Right now, tariffs are one such course of action. Rand, along with his colleagues, is consistently pushing us toward collapse.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Y'all have been lied to. Its impossible to grow the economy enough to overcome the debt without massive new technology that is immediately ready to go.
False. America’s assets, just not its income, exceed its debts. This is why Trump and his cabinet are monetizing our assets. Mineral deals, procuring trillions of dollars of investments, oil and gas and other energy promotion, loosening up permitting (approvals!), leading the world in AI development, entrance fee for foreigners who want to sell to our rich consumers, and so on.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 9:40 am
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:39 am to wdhalgren
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Rand is trying to "fix" our problems by destroying the currency.
This cult never ceases to amaze.
Trumps economic plan to help balance "trade" is to deflate the currency, and y'all have never heard about it.
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Donald Trump’s plan to devalue the dollar if he wins the US election looks “extremely unlikely” to succeed as it would be undermined by policies such as tariffs and tax cuts, according to investors.
In recent weeks, the former president and his running mate, JD Vance, have talked up the benefits of weakening the currency to boost the country’s manufacturing and lower the trade deficit.
So, Trump wants to devalue your money so we can equalize trade which is irrelavent, though you folks are ignorant of that fact.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:41 am to SaintsTiger
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False. America’s assets, just not its income, exceed its debts. This is why Trump and his cabinet are monetizing our assets. Mineral deals, procuring trillions of dollars of investments, oil and gas and other energy promotion, loosening up permitting (approvals!), leading the world in AI development, and so on.
Buy buying stock in American companies, Trump is proving you wrong in addition to proving he's also a socialist.
The economy is struggling, you folks have been lied to for a long time. If you want to "take the gloves off" then stop this retarded trade war.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
Seriously asking do you have JD and Trumps quotes?
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Buy buying stock in American companies, Trump is proving you wrong in addition to proving he's also a socialist
Nice try. You can only out argue a straw man in this case.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 9:43 am
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:43 am to GumboPot
See, the senate is capable of working on its own, without instruction. However, they only act when they want to "handcuff" Trump or when it benefits them.
and in the house, Massie will be sure to support the democrats and Rand Paul.
and in the house, Massie will be sure to support the democrats and Rand Paul.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 9:46 am
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Trumps economic plan to help balance "trade" is to deflate the currency, and y'all have never heard about it.
I just said two posts up that future dollar damage, i.e. inflation, is baked into the cake. That's not a "plan", it's a reality. Our massively negative net international investment position and our continuing massive twin deficits make that a guaranteed outome. Tariffs at least address the twin deficits, which is more than Rand and his 51 friends have done. Actions speak louder than words and the actions of Rand and his friends are destroying the country.
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Trump wants to devalue your money so we can equalize trade which is irrelavent, though you folks are ignorant of that fact.
Like I said, you and Rand are apparently the ones who are ignorant, because equalizing trade is not irrelevant. It's not the complete solution, but it will help mitigate the bad outcome we're facing right now.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 9:50 am
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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One of the few standing up for the American consumer (you)
Phony bastard. Standing up for China and the Left in South America.
Is he standing up for the American Farmer? He talks big but he doesn't back it up with actions.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:48 am to goatmilker
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Seriously asking do you have JD and Trumps quotes?
Do you need to have him saying that he is going to devalue the currency in one of his rallies for you to believe it?
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:51 am to goatmilker
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“We have a big currency problem,” Donald Trump tells Bloomberg Businessweek. The US presidential candidate flags the “strong dollar/weak yen, weak yuan” as a barrier to a revival in US manufacturing.
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Trump’s running mate, Ohio senator J.D. Vance, argues that a strong currency is effectively “a subsidy for US consumers but a tax on American manufacturers”. He wants the balance to be re-set in favour of America’s “hollowed-out industrial base”
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For Trump, devaluing the dollar aligns with his “America First” agenda. He believes it can rejuvenate the U.S. manufacturing sector by making American-made goods more attractive internationally while discouraging imports.
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Recent analyses indicate that tariffs are contributing to a decline in the dollar's value, as foreign investors are becoming less attracted to US assets amid ongoing tariff disputes.
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Mr Trump’s crop of economic advisers is “actively debating” how to devalue the dollar to bolster American exports, even at at the expense of the dollar’s status as a reserve currency
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:53 am to wdhalgren
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Like I said, you and Rand are apparently the ones who are ignorant, because equalizing trade is not irrelevant. It's not the complete solution, but it will help mitigate the bad outcome we're facing right now.
Equalizing trade is the biggest lie Trump has told you people. Wealthier countries will have trade inequality with lesser countries.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:56 am to Powerman
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Do you need to have him saying that he is going to devalue the currency in one of his rallies for you to believe it?
Do you need Trump to blame for something that has been decades in the making? The US govt and the US Federal Reserve and the US consumer have laid the groundwork for an escalating destruction of the dollar. Your search for a bogeyman is political hogwash. We need to balance both our trade and our federal budgets asap. They are both huge problems that must be addressed.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You do realize Congress is a check and balance system on the executive branch, and not a rubber stamp committee, correct?
But tarrifs are helping America to gain back it's even standing. That's why Trump is doing them. Democrats don't care, but Republicans should know why he's doing it.
Even Bill Maher admitted he was wrong about Trump's tariffs and the effects they would have.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Equalizing trade is the biggest lie Trump has told you people. Wealthier countries will have trade inequality with lesser countries.
Can you name all of the "wealthier countries" that run persistent massive foreign trade deficits? Japan, no. Germany, nope. China, no. The EU bloc as a whole, no. Australia, no. Canada and the UK have run small trade deficits for the last few years, but miniscule in size(as a percentage of GDP) and much shorter in duration as compared to the US.
The US right now (and continuously for the last 5 decades) is in the neighborhood of Greece and Italy, countries that have historically debased and devalued their currencies through fiscal and monetary mismanagement. But we're actually putting them to shame as we rush headlong off a cliff with our lemming-like overconsumption. We've used every trick in the book to prolong thiis insane course of action, but the end is near.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 10:27 am
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