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re: US Senate votes to TERMINATE President Trump's 50% tariffs on Brazilian imports, 52-48.

Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:50 am to
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:50 am to
Can POTUS veto?
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87680 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:53 am to
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You would have hated college if you had went.


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“Had gone” you fricking idiot


Ouch
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:53 am to
Wait. You actually believe inflation had nothing to do with the 4 trillion Trump dumped on the economy in 2020?

Please tell me this is what you think...
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
42955 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:55 am to
I've already said this, and yet you continue to push a false narrative.

Trump didn't do this. Freaking just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:56 am to
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Trump didn't do this.




Explain how Trump dropping 4 trillion more on the economy in one year didnt cause inflation.

He also wanted to spend more than the Democrats. They blocked him.


I gotta hear this...



Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:57 am to
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standing up for the American consumer


This is the root of America's financial problems; standing up for the American consumer. US govt and the Federal Reserve have been propping up the American consumer for many decades; loose monetary policy to boost borrowing power, subsidized home mortgages, subsidized school loans, stimulus packages, bailouts, fiscal deficits to support a smorgasbord of social programs that prop up excess consumption and buy votes in the process.

The result has been overborrowing and overspending in the extreme, which eventually required even more massive federal deficits and debt monetization to prop up the banking system, in the process transferring risk to the balance sheets of the US Treasury and the US Federal Reserve. So now we're on a course to currency destruction and the American consumer is headed for the dustbin of history.
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Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
42955 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:58 am to
No need to bother with trolls who don't grasp how our gov't works, or who conveniently forget there even was a thing called COvid (which was intentionally released by a Wuhan virology lab)
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:59 am to
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This is the root of America's financial problems; standing up for the American consumer.
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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:00 am to
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No need to bother with trolls who don't grasp how our gov't works,


Just explain it then. How did the extra 4 trillion NOT cause massive increased demand?

SHould be very easy for you.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:01 am to
Did you leave out American producers who aren’t getting a fair deal in Brazil?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:02 am to
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Did you leave out American producers who aren’t getting a fair deal in Brazil?



Define "fair deal?" Because with trade there will never be such a thing.


How you you define it?


You do realize that "fair trade" is a Progressive/communist ideal?
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 9:04 am
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:03 am to
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Feel free to defend your position.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:04 am to
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Did you leave out American producers who aren’t getting a fair deal in Brazil?


Inflation has outpaced income, no one is standing up for the consumer.


Our trade policy and Trumps both are gifts to large corporations at the expense of small business and individuals.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
4695 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:06 am to
So you know Democrats are going to vote against anything Trump does.

That's a given. As for the 5 Republicans, I'd be looking at what wealthy donors they might have that could possibly have Brazil interest and needed to appease those folks.

Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4629 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:09 am to
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Inflation has outpaced income, no one is standing up for the consumer.


We did an end run around inflation (for a while) by increasing govt deficits, increasing the magnitude of social welfare spending and consumer subsidies, lowering interest rates to allow more affordable consumer borrowing, and offshoring jobs and increasing consumption of cheaper foreign produced imports. Of course, none of those things work forever; they eventually lead to debt overload and currency destruction, which is something that apparently you and Rand Paul don't understand.


This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 9:13 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:09 am to
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I'd be looking at what wealthy donors


You do realize Congress is a check and balance system on the executive branch, and not a rubber stamp committee, correct?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:12 am to
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We did an end run around inflation (for a while) by increasing govt deficits, increasing the magnitude of social welfare spending, lowering interest rates to allow more affordable consumer borrowing, and offshoring jobs. Of course, none of things work forever; they eventually lead to currency destruction, which is something that apparently you and Rand Paul don't understand.



No, you dont understand. Paul has stood up against excess spending on a regular basis. Your orange buffoon spent 8 trillion more than he had revenue, and you people blame the actual conservative.


Inflation earlier this decade came from excess spending while people werent working, then suddenly re-opening the economy which created both labor and product shortages, with tons of new money into the economy.

You are supporting continued inflation, unemployment. Both of these are currently RISING, and not falling.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10336 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:15 am to
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quote:Rand is proving he's not the bigger man One of the few standing up for the American consumer (you)



Bout time we start standing for the producers
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:16 am to
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Bout time we start standing for the producers




You mean big corporations, its the small business that will be hurt.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4629 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:22 am to
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Paul has stood up against excess spending on a regular basis. Your orange buffoon spent 8 trillion more than he had revenue, and you people blame the actual conservative.


Well, if Paul and the other 51 who voted against tariffs would vote for balanced budgets, then we wouldn't need tariffs because our economy would shrink back to the size it would've been without all of this fiscal and monetary meddling. Like I sad to you before, tariffs aren't an ideal solution, but they are one way to potentially stem the overconsumption and bring production back home. If Rand understood where we are in this process of destroying the US dollar, he'd be voting for anything to stop, or at least slow, the madness of perpetual massive trade and budget deficits in defense of the "American consumer".

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Inflation earlier this decade came from excess spending while people werent working, then suddenly re-opening the economy which created both labor and product shortages, with tons of new money into the economy.


Our inflation is the result of decades of loose monetary policy and the resultant overly rapid increases in the money supply. As Milton Friedman correctly observed, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.

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You are supporting continued inflation, unemployment. Both of these are currently RISING, and not falling.

Both of these are inevitable, baked into the cake. The question now is does the country survive the spate of idiots who, like you, have zero understanding of how we got here.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 9:25 am
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