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Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Are you tired of all the winning, yet?
Moar gubment spending....
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It's getting pretty bad now
Moar gubment spending....
We went from Mexico will pay for it, to taxing the citizens for it
But it will be big and beautiful, you just wait and see!
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:13 am to Yak
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We went from Mexico will pay for it, to taxing the citizens for it
Throw all common sense out the window with this silly wall
Just enforce laws on the books, penalize employers, and withhold federal funds from States who allow sanctuary and there's no need for a wall.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:14 am to bfniii
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name the person who said they want permanent tariffs or that they are an ends to themself.
as usual, attacking a caricature. that's all they have
You say that and yet...
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That is still less than 0.2% of tax revenues. Tariffs are not big tax revenue generators. The main purpose is to protect industries that are important to our national economy and security. We have to maintain a robust steel and aluminum industry to maintain the largest and best military in the world. Cheap Chinese steel is at threat to our military. It is a very small price to pay to make sure our dollar remains the reserve currency of the world.
Unless the importance of steel and aluminum is only temporarily vital to our national security, I would say this is an argument for permanent tariffs.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:18 am to foshizzle
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US manufacturers aren't benefiting from this - the federal government is.
2 false statements.
1- US Manufacturers will and do benefit from it. They increase output and people buy it frombthe US Steel mills.
2- Federal gov makes more from increased sales tax on the new production from steel mills
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:20 am to GumboPot
the cost of any consumer price increase over tariffs per the individual person is nothing like tax hits through income and all other taxed areas combined.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:24 am to foshizzle
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US manufacturers aren't benefiting from this
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:25 am to Jjdoc
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They increase output and people buy it frombthe US Steel mills.
The tax doesn't go to manufacturers. The point was the money goes to the gubment
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Well, until She Guevara becomes President.
Just enforce laws on the books, penalize employers, and withhold federal funds from States who allow sanctuary and there's no need for a wall.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:26 am to Northwestern tiger
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1.4 billion so far and can reach 7.5 billion this year.
That's half the wall we need
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:That would only work if government was in the business of solving problems.
Just enforce laws on the books, penalize employers, and withhold federal funds from States who allow sanctuary and there's no need for a wall.
The trouble is, government doesn't profit from solving problems. Government profits from creating them.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:29 am to 90proofprofessional
quote:i stated it succinctly. i will repeat
where is the caricature
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name the person who said they want permanent tariffs or that they are an ends to themself
until you come up with at least one name, it's a stupid caricature, mr duck
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:31 am to Jjdoc
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Federal gov makes more from increased sales tax on the new production from steel mills
is there a federal excise tax on domestic steel?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:other than the fact that it actually is working so far?
I guess it will be different this time?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:31 am to bfniii
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i stated it succinctly.
maybe you should consider that you are the only person making caricatures here, as Roger didn't say anything about people considering tariffs an end unto themselves, at all
and neither did anyone else except you
what he did do was respond to the op in context and correctly
you, OTOH, are out to lunch
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 11:33 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
Read what I said once more.
I showed how the Mills make more and the Gov makes more.
I showed how the Mills make more and the Gov makes more.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:yet, these experts and these experts are saying the opposite.
there's no need for a wall
hmmm, who do i believe?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:38 am to BigJim
quote:explain how you get this from his comment
Unless the importance of steel and aluminum is only temporarily vital to our national security, I would say this is an argument for permanent tariffs
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:38 am to Jjdoc
quote:
Read what I said once more.
Read what you responded to again
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