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re: US government and media lying about Ukrainian counteroffensive

Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:04 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
42613 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:04 am to
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Government is failing us but it has nothing to do with Ukraine.


You are a simpleton.

You look at everything as if it’s a result if the Ukraine War when reality is the border problem and illegals have plagued us now for 16 years.

Trump made an attempt to fix things, but Biden and the Dems did everything they could to oppose him and then undo the changed he made.

If we cut off Ukraine today not one penny more would go to sealing the borders. Not one penny would go to stopping the Fentanyl epidemic. Not one penny would go to healthcare.

You can oppose Ukraine spending, but your argument for doing so is FOS.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28108 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:39 am to
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But be aware that this is a Russian propaganda piece


TBoy didn't learn anything from the Hunter Biden laptop story.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
55978 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:40 am to
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US government and media lying



Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98030 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:42 am to
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You can oppose Ukraine spending, but your argument for doing so is FOS.



And your argument for constant funding for your BF is also FOS
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42613 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:08 am to
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And your argument for constant funding for your BF is also FOS


At least I know not to blame Biden’s screw ups on the border on Ukraine.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 9:14 am
Posted by Swamp Angel
West Georgia Chicken Farm Territory
Member since Jul 2004
10175 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:01 pm to
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I also note this cites Hersh. He’s unfiltered Russian propaganda these days.

Believe what you want to believe. You will do that anyway. But be aware that this is a Russian propaganda piece.



Sheesh! And the Lefties call US the conspiracy theorists!
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:39 pm to
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You can oppose Ukraine spending, but your argument for doing so is FOS.



You are the one FOS.

Everything we have been told about this war in the hinterlands of Eastern Europe by our national security apparatus and indeed NATO’s mission in Europe since the end of the Cold War has been predicated upon one lie stacked upon another.

“The United States is placing its occupation troops in one country after another. This is the de facto situation in Bosnia for 9 years, in Kosovo and Afghanistan for 5 years each, in Iraq for 3 years so far, but it will be a long time there. There is little difference between NATO’s actions and individual U.S. actions. Clearly seeing that today’s Russia poses no threat to them, NATO is methodically and persistently developing its military apparatus — to the east of Europe and into the continental reach of Russia from the south. There is open material and ideological support for ‘color’ revolutions, and the paradoxical introduction of North Atlantic interests — in Central Asia. All this leaves no doubt that a complete encirclement of Russia is being prepared, and then the loss of its sovereignty.” Alexander Solzhenitsyn: April 28, 2006.




This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 8:43 pm
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
22098 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:26 pm to
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S government and media lying about Ukrainian counteroffensive
they just took another 2 villages in the the tokmak axis toward melitopol, confirmed by video. I think it's funny how Russia shills want to make it seem like Ukraine is making no progress in it's counter offensive when they are going like 5x as quick as Russia did trying to assault Bakmut. The whole country is mined up now, there is no such thing as a quick offensive move in Ukraine anymore
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 10:44 pm
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35676 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:50 pm to
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this is a Russian propaganda piece.
Low-T boy can't fathom his transtranee thexthy boi Zallensky being defeated by Putler

Posted by 19
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Member since Nov 2007
35676 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:52 pm to
Show your work, tough guy.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:05 am to
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I think it's funny how Russia shills want to make it seem like Ukraine is making no progress in it's counter offensive when they are going like 5x as quick as Russia did trying to assault Bakmut.


The Ukrainian plan called for a rapid breakthrough. They were supposed to push to the sea to cut the Russian MSR. It was supposed to take days. That didn’t work.

Instead they’re fighting a war of of attrition against the Russians, and that’s a problem, because they will run out of everything, from men to material, well before the Russians do.
Posted by tango029
Member since Dec 2022
531 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:14 am to
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Instead they’re fighting a war of of attrition against the Russians, and that’s a problem, because they will run out of everything, from men to material, well before the Russians do.


If they were invading Russia it would be a problem, but they aren't. Even Russia has limits on acceptable casualties (see Afghanistan). At this point most estimate that Russia has lost in less than 1.6 years over 3x the amount they lost in Afghanistan over 10 years.

While Russia has great media control and has been careful to conscript mostly from the outer regions, eventually people start noticing groups of men are missing.

How long before they get to that point and what state will the war be in nobody knows, but it's been pretty clear for the last 6 months that Russia had struggled significantly more than Ukraine to conduct offensive operations. You don't win wars by sitting in your foxhole and getting picked off by drones.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:17 am to
Ain’t over until they arrest the midget and rub it in Biden’s face.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 1:05 am to
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While Russia has great media control and has been careful to conscript mostly from the outer regions, eventually people start noticing groups of men are missing.


They’re reservists and volunteers. They can’t send conscripts to Ukraine per the constitution. The volunteers do come disproportionately from the republics, but that is probably cultural, these are more traditional and violent places, and it’s to some degree an economic issue. These are very poor places.

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While Russia has great media control


They couldn’t hide mass casualties. There’s no way to with modern media technology.

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At this point most estimate that Russia has lost in less than 1.6 years over 3x the amount they lost in Afghanistan over 10 years.


The Soviets didn’t withdraw because they took too many casualties.

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You don't win wars by sitting in your foxhole and getting picked off by drones.


Defense is the stronger form of warfare. It’s operationally advantageous to let the Ukrainians attack. They’ll suffer heavier casualties attacking than they would defending, it’s much more expensive for them. The Russians will have to attack eventually but what they’re doing is logical.

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but it's been pretty clear for the last 6 months that Russia had struggled significantly more than Ukraine to conduct offensive operations


The Russians made a choice to conserve manpower.
Posted by Rip N Lip
Zambodia
Member since Jul 2019
7539 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 2:22 am to
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reality is the border problem and illegals have plagued us now for 16 years.


You could double that number and still be way off on the math.
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