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U.S. and EU Officials Gently Discussing Need for Ukraine to Enter Peace Negotiations
Posted on 11/4/23 at 4:43 am
Posted on 11/4/23 at 4:43 am
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All things considered, this is a positive first step and the first significant indication that Western propaganda around World War Reddit is failing.
According to sources who are speaking to NBC News, U.S. and EU officials are gently beginning to talk to Ukraine government officials about what steps might need to be taken to bring an end to the Ukraine-Russia war. Obviously, for those who do not pretend, we all know the decision to end this conflict comes down to the USA telling Ukraine President Zelenskyy to open peace talks with Russia.
The EU NATO alliance has recently started to show less interest in the maintenance of a U.S. proxy war against Russia, and more open public statements that the current status of a stalemate is unsustainable given the amount of money, hardware and political energy required to maintain it.
Additionally, Zelenskyy is running out of men to throw into the meat grinder; the troops and military leaders are actually defying his orders now.
Therefore, if the Biden administration (State Dept and CIA) concede to the reality, Zelenskyy will have no alternative except to talk to Russia about ending the conflict.
This is the baseline of non-pretending honesty that President Trump has been saying in his remarks about his ability to end the “killing and death” within 24 hours. The reality of the situation is not complex.
Ukraine pledges not to join NATO, the USA pledges not to use Ukraine as a proxy nation to conflict with Russia, the untrusting Russian government keeps part of Eastern Ukraine as a safety mechanism, and the war/bloodshed ends.
However, given the use of Ukraine as a financial mechanism for U.S. politicians to get rich, and given the financial stakes for multinationals like Blackrock, there are other financial considerations which will play out in the background of any potential peace talks. In the end, just like in the beginning, it’s all going to come down to money.
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Ultimately the decision to end the Ukraine-Russia war is not up to Joe Biden. At a certain point the CIA and State Dept will tell him the cost -v- benefit analysis is no longer worth it, politicians are getting too many angry calls from Americans, and it’s time to end the conflict.
Biden will do what he’s told and read what is prepared for him, while the people around him try to position the end of the Ukraine conflict to gain Joe Biden the Nobel Prize for peace.
The political propaganda at the conclusion of a proxy war that NATO and Biden started is very clear to see.
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Posted on 11/4/23 at 4:47 am to GumboPot
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Zelenskyy will have no alternative except to talk to Russia about ending the conflict.
So a country invaded Ukraine and the onus is on Ukraine to make peace with its invaders?
Posted on 11/4/23 at 4:47 am to GumboPot
quote:Oh the irony.
.S. and EU Officials Gently Discussing Need for Ukraine to Enter Peace Negotiations
Posted on 11/4/23 at 4:56 am to 4cubbies
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So a country invaded Ukraine and the onus is on Ukraine to make peace with its invaders?
What is your plan? Are you going to go enter the meatgrinder and fight for Ukraine?
Posted on 11/4/23 at 4:58 am to GumboPot
My plan? I don’t have a plan. My suggestion is for Russia to go back home and move on from this.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 4:59 am to 4cubbies
quote:No.
So a country invaded Ukraine and the onus is on Ukraine to make peace with its invaders?
They can alternately opt to lose more territory, treasure, and lives. Is it fair. Not in the least. War and its spoils can be very unfair.
They were fools to let us manipulate them into a proxy war. They were fools to let us manipulate them out of peacetalks 18mos ago. Now they'll have a period to consider their foolishness and its costs.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:01 am to 4cubbies
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My plan? I don’t have a plan. My suggestion is for Russia to go back home and move on from this.
Your suggestion was never an option and was never going to happen. Ukraine was never capable of winning.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:03 am to NC_Tigah
I’m really surprised that rational people believe Ukraine should roll over and let Russia rule it. I guess now we now know what to expect from the board if/ when Russia shows up on our shores.
This post was edited on 11/4/23 at 5:06 am
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:04 am to 4cubbies
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I’m really surprised that rational people believe Ukraine could roll over and let Russian rule it.
They could also just lose more territory by trying to continue to fight.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:05 am to 4cubbies
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My suggestion is for Russia to go back home and move on from this.
It doesn’t work like this in war. Russia wants Eastern Ukraine because most of eastern Ukraine wants to be with Russia and Kiev and the rest of Ukraine are tired of fighting for it. At the heart of the matter Zelensky wanted peace a year ago but the US and NATO wouldn’t allow it. Now, even Ukrainians have lost the will to fight. The losses are just too much.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:07 am to 4cubbies
quote:Anastasia's last words to the Bolsheviks?
go back home and move on from this
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:07 am to 4cubbies
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I’m really surprised that rational people believe Ukraine could roll over and let Russia rule it.
Cubbies Eastern Ukraine is ethically Russian and wants to be with Russia and they are tired of dying.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:08 am to imjustafatkid
When a communist dictator invades another country just for the hell of it, I don’t think said communist dictator is interested in preserving any land for the sovereign nation. If that was an interest if the communist dictator, he wouldn’t have invaded in the first place.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:10 am to GumboPot
quote:I’m sure they’re tired of dying after a communist dictator invaded them out of nowhere.
Eastern Ukraine is ethically Russian and wants to be with Russia and they are tired of dying.
I don’t believe they are hoping to be ruled by a communist dictator. N
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:13 am to 4cubbies
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When a communist dictator invades another country just for the hell of it,
It was not for the hell of it. Refer to the last meme in the OP for the reason why. If NATO/US stops encroaching upon the Russian border via Ukraine to destabilize Russia this war never happens.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:14 am to GumboPot
It’s always the weakest amongst us who are the loudest from the sidelines.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:18 am to 4cubbies
Lol, you know nothing about the history of this conflict. Start by watching Oliver Stone’s documentaries from 2016 and 2019, Ukraine on Fire and Revealing Ukraine. Pretty sure they are on Rumble.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:20 am to 4cubbies
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When a communist dictator
The 1980's called
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:23 am to Strannix
Is he not a communist dictator?
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:29 am to 4cubbies
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Is he not a communist dictator?
Dictatorish. Not commie.
Putin is not a good dude but that is not the point. The remaining parts of Ukraine need and want peace.
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