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re: UPS Fires Hundreds Of Workers Who Defended Fired Colleague

Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:23 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133619 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:23 pm to
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The remaining 230 were told they would be fired as soon as replacements are trained.

I'd hate to have one of those guys delivering my new iPad....
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14416 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:26 pm to
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This is rather odd. It would seem that 230 pissed off people could cause some serious damage to the company while waiting to be fired.


I'm willing to bet that in the end, that number won't be 230.. This cool off time will allow management to cull the herd of the employees that they desire to be shown the door or at least fire and rehire the ones they want to keep.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:27 pm to
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Um. You should probably at least for accuracy rename your OP.

They were fired for going on strike when their union agreed to a "no strike" clause.



Um, strikes are usually a pass for not working...they went on strike and walked off their jobs....so I guess the firing was both, for striking against the contract and for not being at work during that time.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138137 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:27 pm to
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UPS
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Queens, N.Y






See ya, Doug!
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28268 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:27 pm to
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Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.


There are a shite ton of condemned people on this board. The consensus here is government bad, corporations, monopolies and robber barons good.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
29027 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:28 pm to
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There are a shite ton of condemned people on this board. The consensus here is government bad, corporations, monopolies and robber barons good.



Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:29 pm to
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Unions are like the telegraph. They were once useful but now unnecessary. Should we have to continue to use them even though they have outlived their purpose?

That's an absurd comparison. Unions aren't a simple invention or inanimate object that makes life more convenient, they're a social/cultural institution like laws, constitutions, free press, courts, elections, etc. Humans already have plenty of experience living in societies without any of these institutions, and concluded we are better off with them, despite their imperfections. Saying that unions should be abolished because some union leaders behave unethically is like saying that Congress should be abolished because some Congressmen are on the take or that courts should be abolished because some judges are crooked.
Posted by SettleDown
Everywhere
Member since Nov 2013
1333 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:29 pm to
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There are a shite ton of condemned people on this board. The consensus here is government bad, corporations, monopolies and robber barons good.

Me thinks your command of reading comprehension is in severe need of work.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88064 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:31 pm to
TD.com poli board is anti worker yet again? Shocking news!
Posted by NbamaTiger90
Member since Sep 2012
1752 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:31 pm to
I am also surprised that UPS has come out and stated that they would be "fired". When I was in the union 20 years ago that was a huge no no. If a supervisor ever threatened to "fire" you, you had his arse dead to rights.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:31 pm to
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There are a shite ton of condemned people on this board. The consensus here is government bad, corporations, monopolies and robber barons good.

That about sums them up.

Posted by SettleDown
Everywhere
Member since Nov 2013
1333 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:34 pm to
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TD.com poli board is anti worker yet again? Shocking news!

So, you're OK with people who have a no strike clause doing so anyway?

A liberal who doesn't like to live up to inconvenient contracts. SHOCKING!!!
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:37 pm to
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So, you're OK with people who have a no strike clause doing so anyway?

That's a straw man if there ever was one. Believing in the concept of labor unions doesn't mean agreeing with everything that unions do, including these UPS workers.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88064 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:37 pm to
I think it's shitty they fired these people for voicing their opinion. Obviously they have every legal right to do it. I don't see what's so hard about holding both of those views.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138137 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:37 pm to
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Unions aren't a simple invention or inanimate object that makes life more convenient


Actually they are.

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they're a social/cultural institution like laws, constitutions, free press, courts, elections, etc


That do nothing more than serve the masters at the top who, in turn, manipulate their workers into believing that everyone is out to get them. It's a culture of fear, lies and extortion.


quote:

Saying that unions should be abolished because some union leaders behave unethically is like saying that Congress should be abolished because some Congressmen are on the take or that courts should be abolished because some judges are crooked.


I'm sure many of the Dems in congress and in the courts are loyal to their union overlords as well.




Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138137 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:38 pm to
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TD.com poli board is anti union yet again?
Posted by a want
I love everybody
Member since Oct 2010
19765 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:39 pm to
Unions can help in certain situations:

A mid-sized city has (basically) 1 hospital. It is owned by the city. There is a token "competitor" but the city hospital services 98% of the city.

The city hospital has been driving down wages of h.c. professionals for years. It has also been increasing work load...because it can. In a true free market, another hospital could open and compete BUT the city controls zoning so....there isn't going to be any real competition. H.C. workers are screwed.

In this case, IMO unions are appropriate. They can't just go work somewhere else.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:39 pm to
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So, you're OK with people who have a no strike clause doing so anyway?

I didn't get that from his post.

What I find odd is the pure hatred for unions from a lot of posters on the board who are likely in no way affected by unions. It comes off as ideological indoctrination.

So UPS is union and FedEx isn't?

Really?

I couldn't care less.
Posted by SettleDown
Everywhere
Member since Nov 2013
1333 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:40 pm to
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I think it's shitty they fired these people for voicing their opinion.
They could've voiced their opinion on end without being fired. They were fired for taking off work to do so.



Posted by SettleDown
Everywhere
Member since Nov 2013
1333 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:41 pm to
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That's a straw man if there ever was one.
How so? They willfully took off work to make a point to the company.

Used to be, not showing up to work on purpose could get your fired with a quickness.

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