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re: Union enrollment plummets for Wisconsin teachers under tough law
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:02 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:02 pm to SpidermanTUba
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working schmucks
Teachers are not (or at least should not be) working schmucks. I can see unions for miners or steel workers who without unions could literary get the shaft.
But teachers??? Sling that working class nonsense elsewhere.
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:00 pm to LeonPhelps
[quote] Now laws exist to create safe working conditions and the unions now only exist to a) exhort the corporation into non-competitiveness and b) protect the weakest players at the expense of the strongest. [/
As unions lose membership those laws which were brought about by union members will cease to exist.....these are the kinds of regulations that y'all claim are too harsh for businesses to exist....
As unions lose membership those laws which were brought about by union members will cease to exist.....these are the kinds of regulations that y'all claim are too harsh for businesses to exist....
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:05 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:.
In a union, the best employee suffers and must take lower pay to comply with the collective bargaining agreement so that the worst employee can remain employment at way too high a rate. It is mirroriing communinism in that regard - from each according to his abilities and to each each according to his needs. In the absence of said union, the shitty, lazy employee would be fired, the good employees would be better compensated, all employees would have more incentive to work harder and earn more, and the company would be stronger and more competitive as a result. Regarding government employees and teachers, replace profits with efficiency and effectiveness.
You seem to be suggesting that the best employee is too stupid to know what is in their best interest. The thing is that the best worker is no more required to support the worst worker than the other way around. As capital likes to point out anytime there is a labor action if they don't like it they should go elsewhere....if the best employee doesn't like it they can go elsewhere....they aren't slaves and they aren't stupid...they are doing what they need to.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:07 pm to germandawg
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quote] Now laws exist to create safe working conditions and the unions now only exist to a) exhort the corporation into non-competitiveness and b) protect the weakest players at the expense of the strongest. [/
100% right
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:33 pm to germandawg
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This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:52 pm to germandawg
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You seem to be suggesting that the best employee is too stupid to know what is in their best interest. The thing is that the best worker is no more required to support the worst worker than the other way around. As capital likes to point out anytime there is a labor action if they don't like it they should go elsewhere....if the best employee doesn't like it they can go elsewhere....they aren't slaves and they aren't stupid...they are doing what they need to.
I hope you do not support a higher minimum wage. I mean if they do not like their wage they can go elsewhere.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:08 pm to bamarep
quote:Ironically the headline writer (presumably not the OP) describes that freedom as a "tough law".
Imagine it, actually having a choice to NOT belong to a group whose platform and actions you don't believe in.
It's amazing how frightened people are of freedom.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 7:30 am to lsu13lsu
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I hope you do not support a higher minimum wage. I mean if they do not like their wage they can go elsewhere.
Actually I don't think there should be a minimum wage and I think there should be a STRONG reduction in the amount of social safety net benefits! both of which hold wages artificially low. But you are comparing apples to oranges....minimum wages aren't an individual choice....they are a law that we as a society have deemed necessary. Minimum wage workers almost universally do eventually find better paying jobs.
If a person does not want to belong to a union the why the hell would they want to work for an organized company? I am not joking....there is almost no industry where there is not an option...off hand I can't think of a single one. I would bet that the majority of y'all would agree if the person were working for a open shop and wanted to be represented by a union....so if it is good for one why not the other??? There are employers who insist that all of their employees of certain types belong to unions...all the building trades a this way....why should that employer be forced to deal with an employee who does not want to belong to a union when that employee can go to an open shop??? You can't have it both ways and I for one a willing to let y'all have this one your way.....
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