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Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:22 pm to wickowick
quote:She's not too bright if she just realized this.
"I realized that it was all political and not about teaching," she said.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:02 am to bhtigerfan
Clear sign that the teachers weren't getting any benefit from the union. If they were, there wouldn't have been any decline in membership.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:11 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
Union enrollment plummets for Wisconsin teachers under tough law
Democrat campaign funds hardest hit.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:14 am to wickowick
The crying and whining of Union scum is a beautiful thing.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:18 am to bamarep
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Union enrollment plummets for Wisconsin teachers under tough law Buddy of mine lives in WI. He says the boot lickers are about to riot over this. Imagine it, actually having a choice to NOT belong to a group whose platform and actions you don't believe in.
Yes, it is much better to let others work and pay for your working conditions than to help.
RTW laws are a crutch that "corporate" unions (and make no mistake, teacher and government employment unions are allowed to exist because the alternative labor unions that would emerge would be WAAAAYYYYYY more difficult to deal with) rely on to explain to members why their hands are tied and they don't have a leg to stand on. The trouble with breaking up corporate unions is that those who support the idea have no sense of history when it involves the labor movement. Suffice to say that workers bent capital to its will when it was considered a crime to attend a union meeting or carry a union ticket. Labor now is of the opinion that not having the power of the state enforcing membership makes organizing difficult. Of course capital will do what capital does and will eventually overreach and workers will once again find it necessary to bend capital to its will. Shame though that both sides never learn and insist on repeating history...
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:22 am to wickowick
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teacher enrollment in the WEAC has dropped nearly a third from nearly 100,000 members, and the smaller union AFT-Wisconsin has fallen more than half from its peak membership of 16,000.
So you mean, if people are given a choose as to whether or not to join a union, some choose not to?
Who'd a thunk it
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:54 am to LeonPhelps
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In a union, the best employee suffers and must take lower pay to comply with the collective bargaining agreement so that the worst employee can remain employment at way too high a rate. It is mirroriing communinism in that regard - from each according to his abilities and to each each according to his needs. In the absence of said union, the shitty, lazy employee would be fired, the good employees would be better compensated, all employees would have more incentive to work harder and earn more, and the company would be stronger and more competitive as a result. Regarding government employees and teachers, replace profits with efficiency and effectiveness.
my mom is a big union person and i try to explain this to her when i say that i'm not a big believer in unions
i try to tell her i don't want to constrain myself to the rules and bureaucracy negotiated by people other than me that protects and promotes inferior workers over me, to my direct detriment. it's sad b/c she's a really amazing math teacher and i cannot make her understand that if she wasn't constrained to bureaucratic economic slavery (public schools and unions), she likely would be much more highly valued and compensated.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:56 am to germandawg
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Labor now is of the opinion that not having the power of the state enforcing membership makes organizing difficult. Of course capital will do what capital does and will eventually overreach and workers will once again find it necessary to bend capital to its will. Shame though that both sides never learn and insist on repeating history...
man i hope you're anti-immigrant to keep that stance
Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:15 am to Rickety Cricket
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The crying and whining of Union scum is a beautiful thing.
one of the greatest nights of television
LINK
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:19 am to Choctaw
I can't open now, but is that the "Democracy is dead!" clip?
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 8:27 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:25 am to Rickety Cricket
no. i watched it and was expecting that guy
Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
As someone in a public sector union this is spot fricking on
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:24 am to Rickety Cricket
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I can't open now, but is that the "Democracy is dead!" clip?
its from that night. its a montage of MSNBC leading up to the election with Ed "Pudding Head" Schultz claiming this could be a huge victory for unions and Progressives and how its going to be down to the wire....then MSNBC declaring Walker the winner 49 minutes after the polls closed....the MSNBC collectively peeing themselves.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:33 am to wickowick
Hoo way for union busting! frick dem working schmucks!
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:40 am to Pilot Tiger
what's sad is that the "union mentality" strips good workers of their self of individualism and self value
how they view their value isn't due to their own actions...it's due to the union. how they view their security isn't due to their work as an employee-individual, it's due to the union. it's just a backwards way of seeing the world for a good worker, imho
how they view their value isn't due to their own actions...it's due to the union. how they view their security isn't due to their work as an employee-individual, it's due to the union. it's just a backwards way of seeing the world for a good worker, imho
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:41 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:You said it brother!
Hoo way for union busting! frick dem working schmucks!
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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what's sad is that the "union mentality" strips good workers of their self of individualism and self value
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:45 am to SpidermanTUba
so you disagree? did you see my other points?
this has nothing to do with party politics. i posted why i personally do not want to be a part of a union and why i feel bad for similar people to support them
this has nothing to do with party politics. i posted why i personally do not want to be a part of a union and why i feel bad for similar people to support them
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:47 am to SpidermanTUba
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Hoo way for union busting! frick dem working schmucks!
Unions keep inept fricks in jobs, what union has your membership?
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