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Undeniable, it's the students who are doing the shooting
Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:12 am
Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:12 am
They go on TV and say "We should feel safe at school"
We all agree
"Something must change"
we all agree
"we need common sense gun control"
We all agree
But!
When a trouble kid post things on social media to warn the world , nothing is done....
How do we deal with students inside the classroom who are plotting the next killing?
We all agree
"Something must change"
we all agree
"we need common sense gun control"
We all agree
But!
When a trouble kid post things on social media to warn the world , nothing is done....
How do we deal with students inside the classroom who are plotting the next killing?
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Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:29 am to ApexTiger
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We all agree
"Something must change"
Actually, it's the fact that "something" has changed that is encouraging and enabling this activity.
I've stated before, my Dad and his brothers and friends used to take their shotguns and rifles to school on the bus so they could immediately go hunting after classes. Never a single one of them shot at another person.
Then in the 1960's there still were almost zero school shootings, even through the riotous and demonstration years.
The 1970's? Nope, still very few, if any, school mass shootings.
Enter the 1980's and beyond...
What changed between 1970 and 1980? What part of society is nowhere to be found now?
Maybe the way "forward" can be found in going backwards? To those terrible dreadful years of extended family, 2 parent households with 1 working parent and the other at home, with parental involvement in their kids daily lives, to a time of religious involvement, open prayer, a time of LESS govt. intrusion...the horror!
Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:32 am to ApexTiger
When I was young, when kids displayed disturbing and/or threatening behavior, we were reprimanded and often got in serious trouble.
In this age, when a kid displays the same behaviours, we rush to them to all group hug and cry with them. We treat them as if they are victims and not aggressors.
When I was a kid, kids didn't shoot up schools.
Today, kids shoot up schools.
You do the math.
In this age, when a kid displays the same behaviours, we rush to them to all group hug and cry with them. We treat them as if they are victims and not aggressors.
When I was a kid, kids didn't shoot up schools.
Today, kids shoot up schools.
You do the math.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 11:49 am to ApexTiger
My favorite was a tweet from a highschooler saying why does his generation have to deal with these shootings.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:13 pm to Sidicous
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What changed between 1970 and 1980? What part of society is nowhere to be found now?
Something something something... Erosion of the nuclear family... Something something something.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:17 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Something something something... Erosion of the nuclear family... Something something something.
How do you fix this?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:19 pm to Sidicous
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Maybe the way "forward" can be found in going backwards? To those terrible dreadful years of extended family, 2 parent households with 1 working parent and the other at home, with parental involvement in their kids daily lives, to a time of religious involvement, open prayer, a time of LESS govt. intrusion...the horror!
Or maybe moving further forward and teaching people how to deal with their emotions through maturity and meditation.
You can't just simply say that we need more parents in the picture and religion and expected to happen because it won't. We've already been down that road and human beings slowly over time rejected it and went for a new shell.
We should always be moving forward and striving for better. We should not seek to hide And Leave it to Beaver when humanity is clearly rejecting that reality
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:25 pm to Ebbandflow
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We should always be moving forward and striving for better. We should not seek to hide And Leave it to Beaver when humanity is clearly rejecting that reality
Forward! Not all have jumped off the cliff yet! Forward!
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:29 pm to Sidicous
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This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:32 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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How do you fix this?
Strengthen divorce laws - ie, make it difficult to actually attain a divorce.
Stop subsidizing single parenthood via social programs - single mothers should be ostracized, as a general rule, rather than celebrated.
These are about the only policies I can think of quickly - everything else requires a shift in cultural norms and values that aren't readily enacted by government.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:43 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
Something must change"
We've removed every vestige of moral restraints from our society in the name of acceptance, and now that we are reaping the whirlwind we have sown, we are now suddenly surprised by the repercussions?
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:50 pm to ApexTiger
Are people shooting up their work place or colleges and the media is not covering it ? It seems like this is a issue with mainly high school kids . Will these kids start shooting up there work place in a few years when they have to work and find out what about real stress ?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:50 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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How do you fix this?
Prohibit any person with liberal leanings from the entire field of teaching. I know that sounds harsh, but we need to do it for the children. If it saves even one life, it's worth it.
What are those people supposed to do for employment, you may ask? The world needs ditch diggers too.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:55 pm to HempHead
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single mothers should be ostracized, as a general rule, rather than celebrated.
So basically the 1960s?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:55 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Something something something... Erosion of the nuclear family... Something something something.
Do the majority of the school shooters come from single parent households? I don’t know the answer but would be an interesting thing to find out.
Imo the biggest change and what drives a lot of this is changes in the media (traditional and social). These kids want to go out with a bang and the internet/cable news gives them a spotlight to do so.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:57 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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So basically the 1960s?
Sure, maybe we can go even further back. Indiviuation, and all its attendant problems, really came en force in the late 60's. I know you aren't going to be on board, but that's exactly how one can increase nuclear family outcomes (though I'd much prefer a stronger sense of extended family) by policy.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:58 pm to Dale51
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Prohibit any person with liberal leanings from the entire field of teaching. I know that sounds harsh, but we need to do it for the children. If it saves even one life, it's worth it.
They have that. It's called Sharia Law.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 12:59 pm to Sidicous
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I've stated before, my Dad and his brothers and friends used to take their shotguns and rifles to school on the bus so they could immediately go hunting after classes. Never a single one of them shot at another person.
Enter the 1980's and beyond... What changed between 1970 and 1980? What part of society is nowhere to be found now?
We did too, into the 1990’s. And it didn’t change until after about the mid 1990’s. I think that is when you saw an uptick in a few things: psycotropically medicated children, less 2 parent households, and more unmitigated realistic violence in TV, video games and movies.
Children are detached from reality, are numb to visual violence, have been told they are unique snowflakes whose every feeling is important, and who have very little structure at home to set them on the right path and keep them there.
The decline in church attendance doesn’t help, either, but that has been going on for decades. Not to demean it’s importance, but it can be placed with lack of stable structure at home.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 1:00 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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They have that. It's called Sharia Law.
There are all kinds of things included in sharia, and not implicit in Dale's proscribed policy, that don't match one another. Anti-liberalism isn't some monolithic set of policies.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 1:54 pm to ApexTiger
It is interesting that pretty much every school shooter, other than Sandy Hook, shot up their own school. Their own classmates, their own teachers.
Yet every time this happens the sky screamers want to point their fingers at complete strangers all over the country. Take no responsibility.
Maybe if schools and communities handled their business and their people better these kids wouldn't get shot.
Yet every time this happens the sky screamers want to point their fingers at complete strangers all over the country. Take no responsibility.
Maybe if schools and communities handled their business and their people better these kids wouldn't get shot.
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