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re: Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:21 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:21 pm to Bunk Moreland
The United States will never willingly put itself into a "peer-peer" land war. That is stupid 19th century shite. The US military does not have a peer at present when it comes to combined arms operations.
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:33 pm to Indefatigable
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The Soviet Invasion of Manchuria led to Japan’s Greatest Defeat
Operation August Storm, the massive 1945 Soviet invasion of Manchuria, was Japan’s death blow, and brought an end to World War II.
This article appears in: Spring 2018
By Nathan N. Prefer
To the Soviet military, it is known as the Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation. Although it had no official name to the Japanese, it has become known in the West as Operation August Storm. It was the greatest defeat in Japanese military history, yet few outside the circles of Japanese and Soviet history are even aware that it occurred. It ensured the end of World War II as much as the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki did, yet it is often ignored in Western studies of the war.
More than one million Japanese soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians were killed or captured in a month’s bitter fighting in a far-off land that even today remains somewhat mysterious.
The Soviet Invasion of Manchuria led to Japan’s Greatest Defeat
Operation August Storm, the massive 1945 Soviet invasion of Manchuria, was Japan’s death blow, and brought an end to World War II.
This article appears in: Spring 2018
By Nathan N. Prefer
To the Soviet military, it is known as the Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation. Although it had no official name to the Japanese, it has become known in the West as Operation August Storm. It was the greatest defeat in Japanese military history, yet few outside the circles of Japanese and Soviet history are even aware that it occurred. It ensured the end of World War II as much as the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki did, yet it is often ignored in Western studies of the war.
More than one million Japanese soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians were killed or captured in a month’s bitter fighting in a far-off land that even today remains somewhat mysterious.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:34 pm to RiverCityTider
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Those limp dicks took on 100 German Wehrmacht divisions, lost 20 million people. and then drove them all the way back to Berlin.
A lot has changed in 80 years. I wouldn't advise a land invasion in winter, but the truth is Russia is a regional power with no ability to reach out and touch the US. The pearl clutching over what they are going to do is baseless. The US has no business participating in this war, but the idea that because we have that we should fear Russian military retaliation is ridiculous. They could try to hack our grid or other infrastructure or help Iran with a terrorist attack but all they can do militarily is posture and make threats.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:37 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
I'm simply pointing out that the US cannot take on Russia on the ground in Eastern Europe. Just like Russis could not fight us in Mexico.
It is a crazy notion.
Eighty years is a long time. But they are still Russians. They have fought for three years. They know what they are doing.
It is a crazy notion.
Eighty years is a long time. But they are still Russians. They have fought for three years. They know what they are doing.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:40 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:Nope. Not even 100,000 Japanese KIA in Manchuria. Closer to 50,000.
The Russians then killed over a million Japanese soldiers in a month in Manchuria.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:43 pm to RiverCityTider
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I'm simply pointing out that the US cannot take on Russia on the ground in Eastern Europe.
Alone? Without any support or NATO assets or participation? Maybe not.
Russia cannot defeat NATO in a conventional war and they haven't ever had the capability to do so, which is why they will never engage in one.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:45 pm to RiverCityTider
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More than one million Japanese soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians were killed or captured
Right. The Japanese surrendered.
Do we get credit for the millions of Japanese that surrendered in Japan itself, the East Indies, Burma, Taiwan, etc. etc., because the war ended?
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:47 pm to Indefatigable
NATO couldn't field more than 50,000 troops combined. The Brits could maybe field 20 to 30 thousand max. The French are preparing to send 25k by 2027.
Now if your talking about massive air power. We might be able to force a stalemate for a time. If we are willing to lose 500 aircraft.
I'm not saying Russis could sweep through Europe. Far from it. I'm saying we cannot push them from Ukraine. We are bluffing.
Now if your talking about massive air power. We might be able to force a stalemate for a time. If we are willing to lose 500 aircraft.
I'm not saying Russis could sweep through Europe. Far from it. I'm saying we cannot push them from Ukraine. We are bluffing.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:48 pm to RiverCityTider
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The Russians then killed over a million Japanese soldiers in a month in Manchuria.
That is not true.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:51 pm to jimmy the leg
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Has someone actually said that
It's been hinted at when people speak of what the US should have done with the Russians after the USSR fell. Maybe it might be the position of someone reflexively anti-American as well.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:57 pm to crazy4lsu
Killed and captured. My bad. Total route. Had it been a football game, about 70-0.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:02 pm to RiverCityTider
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NATO couldn't field more than 50,000 troops combined.
NATO already has that number deployed in Europe, not counting the United States.
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Now if your talking about massive air power
Why in the world would any analysis of a potential war in Europe NOT include NATO’s exponential advantage in air power?
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I'm saying we cannot push them from Ukraine
We could. But why on earth would we want to pay that price for nothing. If that is what your posts are addressing, you’re wasting energy on a straw man. Neither the US nor any NATO nation or NATO together is going on the ground in Ukraine.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:15 pm to Indefatigable
That's my point. We can't push the Russians back. We are only forcing Russia to push forward.
Why do that?
And I gave you front line combat troops for US, Britain and France. Less than. 100,000.
The German won't send any. So you basically have Poland.
The NATO numbers you see online are fake.
Suicide.
It's basically air power or nothing.
Why do that?
And I gave you front line combat troops for US, Britain and France. Less than. 100,000.
The German won't send any. So you basically have Poland.
The NATO numbers you see online are fake.
Suicide.
It's basically air power or nothing.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:04 pm to RiverCityTider
After extreme research from nuclear panic induced YouTubing……I’ve come to the conclusion that we (the United States) have a well known ICBM defense system (actually three) that we know of.
These alone are a slight deterrent, but would still allow enough icbms in to destroy everything as we know it.
That being said, that’s what we KNOW of.
I’d imagine the same tech that Israel’s Iron Dome has but on steroids and from all corners of the world and outer space.
They (NATO) are either fricking insane to poke Russia like this, or they know something we as civilians do not.
Either our tech is vastly superior…..overwhelmingly so….
Or
Russia’s nuclear capabilities are vastly over-exaggerated or mostly non functional.
It’s a long way from Russia to US Mainland. On paper, the missiles could do it, but in practice, that’s yet to be seen.
We, on the other hand have a known defense system that has been tested to a perfect 1 to 1 ratio of shooting down ICBMs.
These alone are a slight deterrent, but would still allow enough icbms in to destroy everything as we know it.
That being said, that’s what we KNOW of.
I’d imagine the same tech that Israel’s Iron Dome has but on steroids and from all corners of the world and outer space.
They (NATO) are either fricking insane to poke Russia like this, or they know something we as civilians do not.
Either our tech is vastly superior…..overwhelmingly so….
Or
Russia’s nuclear capabilities are vastly over-exaggerated or mostly non functional.
It’s a long way from Russia to US Mainland. On paper, the missiles could do it, but in practice, that’s yet to be seen.
We, on the other hand have a known defense system that has been tested to a perfect 1 to 1 ratio of shooting down ICBMs.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:05 pm to Indefatigable
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I'm not here to dispute the notion that the Russians did the heavy lifting in Europe, but this figure is absurdly false. The Soviets entry in the Pacific theatre certainly paid a big part in Japan's choice to go ahead and surrender, but they did not kill anywhere close to a million Japanese, or even a tenth of that number. Their impact on the Japanese was more psychological than anything--the Japanese realized that the USSR wasn't going to play negotiator for peace talks
This. The Soviet invasion of Manchuria definitely had the psychological effect of getting the Japanese to finally surrender as they feared being under communist rule, more than death really. And they did kill a lot of Japanese in that invasion, but nowhere near a million and as you said was more psychological for the Japanese than anything
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:07 pm to The Levee
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They (NATO) are either fricking insane to poke Russia like this, or they know something we as civilians do not.
What they know is how unchecked aggression has turned out in the past.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:08 pm to DavidTheGnome
That was before Mutually Assured Destruction
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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Lol what are you talking about?
When Mexico betrayed us in WWI and probably would have in WWII if the Germans ever attacked the mainland
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:25 pm to The Levee
I've thought about the "secret weapon" angle. We push them into nuclear war knowing that we can win due to secret systems.
But your 1 to 1 missle defense isn't right I don't think. It's maybe 1 to 3.
The Russians have 500 locked and loaded long range delivery vehicles There is some info out there about the poor state of their nuclear forced back in the 90s, but Putin decided about 15 years ago that the West was still working against him and started a nuclear Modernization. So I think that is would be dumb to assume their nukes don't work.
Let's say half are ready and work. That's 1500 to 2000 warheads.
If we don't have this secret weapon you speak of, we are dead meat.
But your 1 to 1 missle defense isn't right I don't think. It's maybe 1 to 3.
The Russians have 500 locked and loaded long range delivery vehicles There is some info out there about the poor state of their nuclear forced back in the 90s, but Putin decided about 15 years ago that the West was still working against him and started a nuclear Modernization. So I think that is would be dumb to assume their nukes don't work.
Let's say half are ready and work. That's 1500 to 2000 warheads.
If we don't have this secret weapon you speak of, we are dead meat.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:35 pm to RiverCityTider
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But your 1 to 1 missle defense isn't right I don't think. It's maybe 1 to 3.
Aegis onboard our destroyers with SM-3 missiles has been accurately tested against mid phase ICBMs on a 1 to 1 basis. The GMD is 4 to 1
And everyone on the planet would be dead, glowing… meat.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 11:37 pm
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