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re: Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.

Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:15 pm to
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I sure hope I've never posted that.
Nope. Others have though. The OT thread is replete with it.

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Remember in 2020 he repeatedly denied Russia had any plans to attack Ukraine and even 3 days before the attack began Putin announced the "training exercise" of the amassed forces on Ukraine's border was complete and the troops there would begin returning to their home bases. He was lying and the invasion began.
Anyone unclear about intentions on the eve of invasion was an incapacitated loon. You should feel guilty taking money from them in the market. (We did the same.)

I guess if any lie is excusable, one used to advantage your own troops, is an example.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133660 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:24 pm to
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You should feel guilty taking money from them in the market. (We did the same.)
That reminds me, are you still holding BA? Didn't you get in it at $288, if I recall correctly?

Every time BA is in the news, which seems to be a LOT these days, I think about you...
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135699 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:36 pm to
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Explain to me what you think this means.
What do you think it means?
What is the total NATO bomber mission time?
Russians total bomber mission time?
Time from take off to arrival?
Time to calculate an interceptor "reception"?
Total numbers of assets involved?

Given the vast GDP differential, economics of constant "air training" exercises becomes obviously dangerous for Russia, especially with an expanded western NATO interface.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:55 pm to
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What do you think it means?


I was asking that rhetorically, flybys have been a regular occurrence between Russia and NATO member states for a decade now. They picked up in intensity in 2014 and have been a yearly issue, requiring NATO allies to respond several hundred times per year. In 2020, the number quoted by one official was 400.

If this is an argument for an escalation, I don't buy it.

There was one recent massive escalation on the part of NATO, as Germany released its first defense report ever on their state of military readiness as well as their future plans and projections. The spending patterns of the Alliance shows one thing that I've repeatedly said, that regardless of the battlefield result in Ukraine, the region is going to serve as a major geopolitical flashpoint for the next several decades. Again, all parties involved are preparing for one thing, and it isn't one which, in my view, involves a negotiated settlement in Ukraine. That in of itself is more demonstrative about the potential for serious peace talks in the immediate future.
Posted by LARancher1991
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:08 pm to
Most of the southwest speaks spanish. If Mexico invades should we just give it to them
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7654 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:35 pm to
Okay little brother. I read your research, in good faith and you cover a lot of ground, starting in 1880. By the way, I refer to you as little brother because I probably have socks that are older than you. Then again, I have no idea how old you are. You present a lot of info here and I see the words circumstantial and details that were in a New Yorker magazine article and much more, that I don't feel its necessary for me to respond to each point.

Do you have a primary source for this material? I ask because it seems so "Steele Dossier ish". But whatever, lets address the claim that Boris Berezovsky was Putin's rival. Don't believe that to be the case since Boris was involved in some high stakes and highly visible shenanigans, (crime). Look up the "Faces in the Snow" incident, for one. Secondly, there, is Paul Klebnikov, who HAD a Ph.D in Russian history and wrote the book "God Father of the Kremlin". That book was primarily about Boris. Unfortunately, he was shot four times in Moscow while leaving work and then died in the hospital after getting stuck on an elevator.

Anyway, there is so much more, including the "possibility" of them smuggling these materials out Israel, (crazy as that sounds), and Litvinenko and his buddies might simply have been "Mules", smuggling this material and accidently poisoned themselves. Who really knows? I have already spent more time responding, specifically to you, than I normally would with anyone.

So, since I can be lazy about typing this much on something I am not all that interested in and knowing your MO, it won't make much difference anyway, can we please just leave it at that?

Because bottom line "we", "US" cannot definitively say, for certain that Putin killed the dude.

Okay?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35780 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:38 pm to
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obviously dangerous for Russia,

Russia/the USSR haven’t been capable of defeating NATO in a conventional war in five or six decades. They know it. We know it. Everyone knows it.

They have also accepted it. Which makes our telling them to go frick themselves repeatedly 1992-present even more infuriating. Russia is a natural ally against China. We should have let them in when they wanted in. Our geopolitical interests are aligned, not opposed. The conflict points are only there because both blocs are still run by people who view geopolitics through the lens of the 20th century.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42286 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:43 pm to
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That hurts my feelings


Not my intent amigo.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42286 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:48 pm to
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Most of the southwest speaks spanish. If Mexico invades should we just give it to them


We pretty much have except in name only. Hell, the residents in much of the southwest consider themselves to be Mexican, not American. It is what it is.

Should we give it to them. No.

The bigger question in my mind is if Mexico had the ability to militarily invade, and win, would they?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:53 pm to
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I don't buy it.
Then you don't have funds for the purchase. Sorry, but come on.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41836 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:59 pm to
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The bigger question in my mind is if Mexico had the ability to militarily invade, and win, would they?


If that’s one of your biggest questions then I believe you need some real problems.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135699 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 4:12 pm to
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Russia/the USSR haven’t been capable of defeating NATO in a conventional war in five or six decades.
I'd extend that to NATO's inception BTW, but let's leave the USSR out of it.

The USSR was our unquestionable adversary.
Then an unexpectable collapse occurred and overnight the USSR lost the Cold War.

Much of its Warsaw Pact spun off as western allied democracies. The Russian Federation held legit elections for one of the only times in its long history.

It was a moment of potential alliance and pursuit of common goals. Instead, during a moment so brilliant it stained Monica's dress, slick Willie decided to EXPAND NATO! Then when Russia sought NATO admission after Putin's ascent to power, slick Willie croaked "Uh, nope, ahm a too busy bendin' over for the Chinese and their MFNTS grant."

In Milton's words, "Paradise Lost."
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 4:23 pm to
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Do you have a primary source for this material?


There is a multitude of primary sources released in on this, including court documents, physics papers and interviews. There is no convenient dossier for you though.

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. But whatever, lets address the claim that Boris Berezovsky was Putin's rival.


This was definitely how Berezovsky was referred to in the Western Press.

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Anyway, there is so much more, including the "possibility" of them smuggling these materials out Israel, (crazy as that sounds), and Litvinenko and his buddies might simply have been "Mules", smuggling this material and accidently poisoned themselves.


Again, if you had any familiarity with the evidence, which I think becomes less likely the more you type, you would know why this is ruled out. Secondly, for what purpose would they be smuggling polonium to London? Third, this doesn’t fit in with the actual pattern of evidence.

There are other rebuttals to be made here, but I think they are likely above your paygrade.

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So, since I can be lazy about typing this much on something I am not all that interested in and knowing your MO, it won't make much difference anyway, can we please just leave it at that?


Then why did you ask? Like I suspected originally, you are just acting in bad-faith and actually don’t care about the words you use or the claims you make. That’s fine by me, but I’ll just treat you like the massive incurious idiot that I suspected you were.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35780 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 4:23 pm to
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EXPAND NATO

We don’t need to get off topic since we’ve gone around that wheel before but we obviously disagree on the nature of this in particular.

The notion that NATO shouldn’t accept new members because it hurts someone else’s pride is intellectually farcical to me.

I agree wholeheartedly that Clinton and Bush giving them the finger was antithetical to our entire position in the Cold War, and a mistake.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 4:24 pm to
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Then you don't have funds for the purchase. Sorry, but come on.


Yeah, again, within the context of this ongoing frozen conflict with Russia, it is not a meaningful piece of evidence.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 4:32 pm to
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Russia is a natural ally against China.


How so?

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Our geopolitical interests are aligned, not opposed.


In what way are they aligned?

Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7654 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 4:40 pm to
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Again, if you had any familiarity with the evidence, which I think becomes less likely the more you type,

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but I think they are likely above your paygrade.

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That’s fine by me, but I’ll just treat you like the massive incurious idiot that i suspected you were.


Sorry I wasted my time with you.

My "paygrade"?

I had a security clearance that allowed me to work at most of our National Labs, with real professionals, doing work you can only fantasize about.

Including a tour of the open pit at the Hanford Site that held all of our old reactors, So, the Russians could see them from space.

I've lectured at Berkley.

I was chairman of an EFCOG Subcommittee.

A member of the HPI Core Committee at Los Alamos.

So up yours bud!!!

Now we are back to.



You are truly a classless piece of shite that brought this whole respectful thread down and caused me to lose my cool.

So, AGAIN!!!



And just in case that isn't clear.

frick YOU!!!
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 4:48 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 4:48 pm to
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I had a security clearance that allowed me to work at most of our National Labs, with real professionals, doing work you can only fantasize about


Damn that sucks because you appear to have the reasoning ability of a toddler. It doesn't speak to the quality of whatever it is you are trying to say here.


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I've lectured at Berkley.

I was chairman of an EFCOG Subcommittee.

A member of the HPI Core Committee at Los Alamos


Maybe you have tertiary syphilis? Because you've stated some comically stupid things and repeatedly show no desire to learn anything and instead repeat nonsensical things.

I think what's more likely is that you are just another boomer who has had their mind fried by the internet. Log off for your own sake.

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You are truly a classless piece of shite that brought this whole respectful thread down and caused me to lose my cool.


frick yeah this rules.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 4:49 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41836 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 5:12 pm to
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In Milton's words, "Paradise Lost."


The Clinton foreign policy was crap.
Remember too, he and his people were touting the WMDs in Iraq the loudest.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7654 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 5:12 pm to

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frick yeah this rules.


You are one sick little prick 
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