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re: Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:33 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:33 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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The former US generals I watch on YouTube are not in agreement with you. Who should I believe? Do you work for the military? If you do I'll listen closely.
Ukraine couldn't push Russia out of Crimea or the parts of Donestk and Luhansk that they held from 2014-2022. They could not keep them from seizing the entirety of those regions, along with most of several others along the Black Sea, and they have not been able to dislodge them to any meaningful extent.
What do your YouTube generals see happening that enables Ukraine to suddenly put together a coherent military operation?
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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"our affairs are now global" gives you an excuse to overturn every nation on earth.
There were major demonstrations in the streets. The Russian stooge had his military fire on the demonstrators. The stooge was thrown out.
Now what did we do to orchestrate all this?
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:35 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
quote:Given the fact there is zero evidence of such contrived gibberish related to Yanukovych's Presidency, and given Zelinskyy's current dictatorial, unelected status, it takes real gall to post that sort of fictional projection.
They work the political side, get a Russianophile elected and then never have another election.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:37 pm to Adam Banks
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He does not dictate terms here.
So what are the options?
Americans in Ukraine?
Russia is winning this war unless we send in American troops. I’m 100% against that.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:39 pm to doubleb
quote:The "Russian stooge" was democratically elected. The "demonstrators" were violent insurrectionists sponsored by the west.
The Russian stooge had his military fire on the demonstrators.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:40 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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and then never have another election.
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They then move troops to the border and menace
neighbors.
So why didn’t they invade the Baltic states prior to their Induction into NATO?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:40 pm to Adam Banks
quote:Nor does anyone else. Hence the need for a negotiation.
He does not dictate terms here.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:40 pm to doubleb
quote:
There were major demonstrations in the streets.
Like antifa?
Should we turn the country over to them?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:41 pm to doubleb
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Now what did we do to orchestrate all this?
Fund it?
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 6/17/24 at 2:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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Given the fact there is zero evidence of such contrived gibberish related to Yanukovych's Presidency, and given Zelinskyy's current dictatorial, unelected status, it takes real gall to post that sort of fictional projection.
Defending Yanukovyvh a real traitor to his country takes gall.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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The "Russian stooge" was democratically elected. The "demonstrators" were violent insurrectionists sponsored by the west.
The Russian stooge was removed by their Parliament. He was found guilty of treason. He was found to have stolen millions.
Sure there were violent demonstrators. We had out own violent demonstrators in 1776. Let history judge whether they were right or wrong.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:05 pm to jimmy the leg
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So why didn’t they invade the Baltic states prior to their Induction into NATO?
Russia conquered the Baltic States and didn’t let go until the Iton Curtain crumbled and the Soviet Unuion fell apart. They were too weak to do anything about it.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:06 pm to jimmy the leg
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Should we turn the country over to them?
Huh? Why would you want to do that?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:07 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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The former US generals I watch on YouTube are not in agreement with you. Who should I believe? Do you work for the military? If you do I'll listen closely.
I'm not going to argue with you on this. Maybe those guys are right. They're certainly more qualified than anyone on this board. That said, this conflict has been a fascinating test on what/who to believe. I would just say, it's a little scary when corporate media is this aligned.
I would also caution the OT Call of Duty warriors to think for a second that maybe those cool OSINT accounts might be intel agency propaganda.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:11 pm to doubleb
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Russia conquered the Baltic States and didn’t let go until the Iton Curtain crumbled and the Soviet Unuion fell apart. They were too weak to do anything about it.
Wait, you actually believe that?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:12 pm to doubleb
You believe if there is a protest, then the protesters should run the country.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:12 pm to doubleb
quote:Is that how you refer to Potatobrain? Because Yanukovych's 2010 election was cleaner, more transparent, and more trusted than Potatobrain's 2020 travesty.
Defending Yanukovyvh a real traitor to his country takes gall.
Regardless, you are polluted with disinformation if you believe Yanukovych was a traitor to his country. Same with the POR.
Put another way, is Ukraine better off under Zelenskyy than it was under Yanukovych? Think long and hard about that. Yanukovych, a traitor? Really?
To the contrary, it appears he was politically prescient and simply saw the writing on the wall.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:16 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:NC_, you know I almost always agree with you but on this point of the 2004 Ukraine elections, you're misinformed.
The "Russian stooge" was democratically elected. The "demonstrators" were violent insurrectionists sponsored by the west.
I was working in Kiev off and on during that time and several of my work colleagues were camping out in tents and blankets in the main public square in Kiev (the "Orange Revolution") to get the election results reviewed by the courts and overturned.
They certainly were not "violent insurrectionists." They were everyday citizens who didn't want a Russian proxy to become President of their country via election fraud.
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...the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election run-off which was claimed to be marred by massive corruption, voter intimidation and electoral fraud.[7]
The protests were prompted by reports from several domestic and foreign election monitors as well as the widespread public perception that the results of the run-off vote of 21 November 2004 between leading candidates Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yanukovych were rigged by the authorities in favour of the latter.[10]
The nationwide protests succeeded when the results of the original run-off were annulled, and a revote was ordered by Ukraine's Supreme Court for 26 December 2004.
Under intense scrutiny by domestic and international observers, the second run-off was declared to be "free and fair". The final results showed a clear victory for Yushchenko, who received about 52% of the vote, compared to Yanukovych's 44%. Yushchenko was declared the official winner and with his inauguration on 23 January 2005 in Kyiv, the Orange Revolution ended.
In the following years, the Orange Revolution had a negative connotation among pro-government circles in Belarus and Russia.[11][12][13][14]
Viktor Yushchenko, the Ukrainian candidate who won the Sumpreme Court ordered second run off, was the victim of an assassination attempt during the campaign when he was poisoned with dioxin.
He suffered disfigurement as a result of the poisoning, but survived.
The consensus was he was poisoned by one of a group of men Yushchenko had dinner with a couple of months before the election. All three men relocated to Russia and Russia refused to extradite the prime suspect to Ukraine for questioning by police about the poisoning.
It was just another case of Putin doing what he knows best: kill your opposition. But Yushchenko somehow survived.
Yushchenko before and after he was poisoned:
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:17 pm to doubleb
quote:Illegally.
The Russian stooge was removed by their Parliament.
quote:In the same way Trump was found """"""guilty"""""" of """"""rape""""""
He was found guilty of treason.
quote:The facts are what they are. Ukraine was used, and as a direct result, abused.
Let history judge whether they were right or wrong.
Our use of Ukrainian youth to test Russian war capability is disgusting.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:23 pm to LSURussian
quote:No. No. The 2004 elections are an entirely different matter. Putin/Russia and corrupt Ukrainians doing corrupt Ukrainian things absolutely had fingerprints all over that outcome. It was duly reviewed and overturned by the courts.
NC_, you know I almost always agree with you but on this point of the 2004 Ukraine elections, you're misinformed.
As you know, 2010 was heavily monitored. Different situation.
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