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Ukraine and the EU seem really confused about the role of a mediator in a dispute.

Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:16 pm
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
10318 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:16 pm
Trump talks to one side to get a demand. Takes the demand to the other side to see what they agree on and what they do not agree on to work out a negotiated deal.

The side with the most leverage has the most power and the side with the least has to give up more. Here Ukraine is losing the war and has the least leverage.

It’s not difficult to understand
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2835 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:56 pm to
They (US and EU) have been playing this role (mediator) while simultaneously being the agitator the entire time.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12694 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:11 pm to
It’s not a perfect analogy, but Trump’s role has been similar to what a mediator does. Any lawyer who practices civil litigation knows exactly what is going on. Unfortunately most people and the media just don’t understand.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116705 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:54 pm to
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The side with the most leverage has the most power and the side with the least has to give up more. Here Ukraine is losing the war and has the least leverage.

True, but in this case Zelensky has a great motive to refuse any compromise. Elections in Ukraine cannot happen during war. So, he will stay in power forever as long as there is no peace agreement. His funding from the West is also flowing as long as the war is going on. When he's 65 he may concede territory and retire with all the money he's acquired illegally.
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
137 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:23 pm to
Germany, France, and the UK are just mad that they have zero influence anymore. I honestly don’t know how far back in history you have to go for none of those countries to be a major player on the global stage.

But that’s the reality now and it’s hilarious to watch. The fact that the US has to mediate a war on their own continent is emasculating.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19133 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:28 pm to
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They (US and EU) have been playing this role (mediator) while simultaneously being the agitator the entire time.
this is true if you take into account the history since the annexing of Crimea by Russia.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57892 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:37 pm to
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Here Ukraine is losing the war and has the least leverage.


This is the most salient point, yet many seem to miss it.
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