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re: UHC exec killer wasn’t read rights before questioning and warranties search conducted?
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:36 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:36 pm to 4cubbies
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I don’t know sentencing laws anywhere, especially not in NY. But his charges were dropped. You’re insinuating guilt.
Ok. This isn’t working. Let’s try something else:
Let’s say you a charged with a crime and are in jail looking at 50 years if convicted. Would you want a speedy trial if you were innocent?
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Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:36 pm to UptownJoeBrown
So yes. We are just supposed to take your word for it.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:37 pm to UptownJoeBrown
Riverside already explicitly explained this on another page.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:38 pm to 4cubbies
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But we continue to throw enormous resources toward maintaining this ineffective system
Not enough judges
Constant intentional delays by defense attorneys
etc
I think we should have professional juries. Make it a college course where you can get a law degree to hear trials all day and decide. Would also speed things up.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:38 pm to 4cubbies
I want you to answer it. Would you want a speedy trial if you are innocent?
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:38 pm to 4cubbies
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Give people speedy trials.
Anybody who wants one can have one right now.
So what you're arguing for is limiting legal strategies for defendants.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:40 pm to stout
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I think we should have professional juries. Make it a college course where you can get a law degree to hear trials all day and decide. Would also speed things up.
I also agree with this.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:40 pm to wackatimesthree
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Are you aware that studies show that public defenders get slightly better outcomes than private attorneys?
I’m not but it would be interesting to see them. I’ll have to google them sometime.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:41 pm to UptownJoeBrown
I hear you. Presumed guilt.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:42 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m not but it would be interesting to see them. I’ll have to google them sometime.
Here's one to get you started: LINK
And here's what AI said when Googled:
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Yes, numerous studies suggest public defenders often achieve better case outcomes, including lower conviction rates, shorter sentences, and faster case resolutions, compared to court-appointed private attorneys, even with higher caseloads, highlighting factors like specialization, experience, and institutional support as key drivers of success.
Key Findings from Research
Reduced Convictions & Shorter Sentences: Studies, including some using randomized trials (like one in Philadelphia), show public defenders significantly lower murder conviction rates and reduce overall time served.
Higher Efficiency: Research indicates public defenders often resolve cases faster, with fewer continuances and hearings, showing better case processing efficiency.
Better Pretrial Outcomes: Early representation by a public defender can significantly increase the likelihood of pretrial release and case dismissal for low-income individuals.
Outperforming Appointed Counsel: A significant body of work suggests that defendants with public defenders fare better than those appointed private counsel, who are more likely to face conviction and longer sentences.
Why Public Defenders Often Succeed
Specialization & Experience: Public defenders often specialize in criminal defense, developing deep expertise in local courts, prosecutors, and judges.
Institutional Support: Well-funded public defender offices provide better resources, including investigators, social workers, and support staff, which improves case preparation.
Reduced Caseloads (in some systems): While federal public defenders are often overworked, studies show that smaller caseloads for public defenders lead to better outcomes, demonstrating the impact of manageable workloads.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:43 pm to stout
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I think we should have professional juries.
So not a jury of one’s peers.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:44 pm to 4cubbies
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I hear you. Presumed guilt.
You would not do well in law school.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:46 pm to wackatimesthree
Thanks for that.
This guy’s case was dismissed, but after being detained for three years without a trial.
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Early representation by a public defender can significantly increase the likelihood of pretrial release and case dismissal for low-income individuals.
This guy’s case was dismissed, but after being detained for three years without a trial.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:46 pm to 4cubbies
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So not a jury of one’s peers.
Nothing about being trained would preclude it being a jury of peers.
People who sit on every jury do something for a living. Why would it matter what their occupation was?
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:46 pm to UptownJoeBrown
Probably not. I have no interest in law school.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:47 pm to 4cubbies
How would they not be ones peers?
Wouldn't it be more favorable to have someone who understands the law vs someone who is brainwashed by Facebook?
This thread shows why putting your faith in 'peers' is dangerous. You displayed very little understanding for the simple subject and then consistently ignored people providing you with facts.
Wouldn't it be more favorable to have someone who understands the law vs someone who is brainwashed by Facebook?
This thread shows why putting your faith in 'peers' is dangerous. You displayed very little understanding for the simple subject and then consistently ignored people providing you with facts.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:47 pm to 4cubbies
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This guy’s case was dismissed, but after being detained for three years without a trial.
This is all true but it’s not the whole story and that’s what you’re not getting.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:48 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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This is all true but it’s not the whole story and that’s what you’re not getting.
He was probably going to get time served at that point anyway
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:49 pm to stout
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Wouldn't it be more favorable to have someone who understands the law vs someone who is brainwashed by Facebook?
Not only that, but their voting records could be tracked and reviewed for bias.
They would already understand legal concepts and implications. It would come down to actually having to prove a case rather than which attorney could blow the most smoke and mirrors.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:50 pm to 4cubbies
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I have no interest in law school.
But if you have a passion for defendants, maybe you should.
Criminal defense attorneys are extremely important to maintain and protect Constitutional rights.
Your problem is you’re trying to advocate without any training whatsoever.
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