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Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:37 am to
Posted by RoyalAir
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:37 am to
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This is one of the Near Death podcast episodes I’ve listened to, as told by a battlefield medic who died and came back with the story.


Do you have the episode number, or date range? Would love to listen, as this is one of my working theories as well
Posted by LookSquirrel
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:15 pm to
January 3, 2023

Russia Says It Shot Down a UFO

I kid not.

They have video of the Anti-Air defense rocket being fired at what they say looked like a ball. It hit "something.

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Russia shot down an unidentified flying object in Rostov Oblast on 3 Jan 2023 near the Ukrainian border. I analyze the video and give an update on the Kyiv Main Observatory UFO captures.


Chris Lehto YouTube analysis

Multiple reports.

Bing search results
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 1/17/23 at 2:53 pm to
https://www.rawstory.com/john-ratcliffe-alien-life/

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Are aliens real?' Fox News host's UFO question tongue ties Trump's ex-director of national security

David Edwards January 15, 2023


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Fox News host Pete Hegseth posed the question during an interview about UFOs. "Treat us like an adult here. You've seen the intel," Hegseth said. "Are aliens real?"
"Well, um, I can't talk to you, uh, about, you know, uh, uh, any potential alien life, um, uh," Ratcliffe replied. "So I'll just leave it at that."


Notice no firm no (like some recent journalistic pieces have suggested)
Should have asked him “Do we share this planet with a non-human intelligence”…

Vid of clip:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6eJpFgNwY8&feature=youtu.be

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UFOs defy laws of physics & "have capabilities WE DON'T HAVE as the world's SUPERPOWER" - FMR DNI Jeremy Corbell 1.1K Likes 13,854 Views
Jan 15 2023

The former Director of National Intelligence made a clear statement about UFOs today... "NO natural phenomenon involved, there's no visual disturbance, it's NOT clutter or debris or birds or anything else but objects that demonstrate TECHNOLOGIES that seem to DEFY the law of physics & capabilities that WE DON'T HAVE as the world's SUPERPOWER" JOHN RATCLIFFE - Former Director of National Intelligence


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"There's no natural phenomenon involved. There's no visual disturbance. It's not clutter, or debris, or birds, or anything else, but objects that demonstrate technologies that seem to defy the law of physics and capabilities that we don't have as the world superpower. "You know our role in the Federal government is to provide for the common defense and we can't do that if someone else has technologies that are better than we have."
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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:03 am to
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RNjC1vLcxKo

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Is Artificial Intelligence Becoming a Religion?
Jesse Michels 945 Likes 18,159 Views Sep 9 2022

Blake Lemoine is the recently fired Senior Software Engineer at Google who went public this summer with his concerns around Google’s natural language system LAMDA. Blake thinks LAMDA is both sentient and shouldn’t be under the sole supervision of a private corporation. This provoked a deep, philosophical conversation about the nature of intelligence, consciousness, what will happen with AI, whether it’s aligned with human values and whether human reality is simulated. I think you’ll love this episode!


Interesting discussion about artificial intelligence and “others”.
The spooky history of “science”

Lemoine is from South Louisiana and is Cajun (states as much in the conversation). During the conversation, they also talk about Cajun shamanistic practices that merge mysticism and science.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 1:30 pm to
So the UAP report dropped last month mentioning balloons and balloon like entities (see below) as sources for UAP sightings

A few weeks later we get all these balloons in the sky generating buzz from the media (a narrative is being created). The big white balloons may also be envisioned as giant tic tacs…



Or perhaps weather balloons…

Don’t be fooled again…


https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zxa8/what-the-chinese-spy-balloon-has-to-do-with-the-pentagons-ufo-obsession

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What the Chinese Spy Balloon Has to Do With the Pentagon's UFO Obsession


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The Pentagon has used the possibility of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) being secret Chinese or Russian spycraft to push for more military funding. The fact is, many of the UAPs that the government and private pilots have reported over the years are balloons, according to reports that claim to have categorized some of the sightings. This means that there are balloons of unknown provenance floating in American airspace all the time.


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Congress has tasked the Pentagon with investigating hundreds of reports of Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP), and has uncovered hundreds of sightings. The Chinese balloon floating above Montana points to what might be the most plausible explanation for the recent rash of sightings. In its initial report on UAPs, the Pentagon noted that "UAP PROBABLY LACK A SINGLE EXPLANATION," and said that one UAP was "airborne clutter, specifically a deflating balloon." It also stated that some sightings came "from known aerial objects such as weather balloons, high-altitude or super-pressure balloons, and wildlife," adding that as it learns more about the behavior of known balloons, it can "pre-assess UAP reports to see if those records match similar events already in the database."


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In January, the AARO issued a report that put the total of reported UAP sightings at around 510. According to the report, 163 of these were “characterized as balloon or balloon-like entities.” During a DoD press conference late Thursday night, a reporter asked about the 163 balloon-like sightings and if what’s floating above Montana is some kind of advanced spy system.


Remember all this when skeptics tell you China (these events) and Russia (Ukraine) have physics defying tech
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:31 am to
Still processing this, but worth noting:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/u-s-military-shoots-down-object-flying-territorial-waters-over-alaska

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WHITE HOUSE Published February 10, 2023 3:33pm EST

US military shoots down 'object' flying in territorial waters over Alaska The Pentagon said an F-22 using an A9X missile shot down the 'object'
Adam Sabes By Adam Sabes | Fox News




https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/02/11/so-we-shot-down-a-ufo-over-alaska-yesterday-n529937

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So we shot down a UFO over Alaska yesterday
JAZZ SHAW 8:31 AM on February 11, 2023


May be an artificial flex for Joe while creating nothingburgers to appease the public…
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:11 pm to
Posting here for completion:

Most of the UAP community has been pointing to March 2023 as a time of big events pending (reference big thread)

Evolving allegations of exotic material/craft/reverse engineering currently in possession of defense contractors. At some point (Nixon admin) the government transferred this material to private contractors to escape oversight. Over time these illegal programs have gone dark black. Some feel that Congress is currently aware of this, and trying to figure out the best way to address this. An amnesty/protection policy is being rolled out to protect “whistleblowers”

There are rumblings of a massive Civil War going on within both the intelligence community and the department of defense on this issue. There is a faction that wants all of this information /technology to see the light of the day. The opposing faction wants this to remain out of public view in the dark.

The recent / delayed UAP report (01/2023) made very specific mention to balloon and “balloon like entities” accounting for many prior sightings (preceded the events of the last 7 days)

In addition to whistleblower protections, the new legislation reclassified the way data was collected and tagged. Previous sensor systems treated UAP as outliers and basically ignored the data points. Any information that was not an ICBM or cruise missile was essentially ignored (improve signal to noise for conventional war fighters)

With that background:

Shortly following a state of the union where uncle Joe resolves to be tough with China, we have a Chinese balloon that is detected (with sensors now looking for “outliers”). Uncle Joe scores political points for blowing shite out of the sky. Media maligns Trump pointing out objects can be retroactively dated in airspace going back to 2017

The media gets whipped into a frenzy, quickly ready to dismiss ALL UAP wholesale as balloons from China.

My sense is that the faction that opposes release of UAP information is pouncing on this as an effort to poo poo the growing interest from the public in UAP.

I have eluded in the bigger thread to the fact that the UAP topic is complicated. There are likely multiple sources for objects being seen in the sky, ranging from:

man-made sources/conventional technology
Man-made, exotic/black projects
man-made, reverse engineered, deep black, unacknowledged projects
Others tech

I am beginning to wonder if the reverse engineered technology does not belong to a nation state. Could a defense contractor or private industry have a fleet of craft and technology that is completely off the books? Could some of these drones/objects also be part of this? This could explain why it may be interacting /toying with our military. Our aviators have claimed that the military would not test experimental craft against itself. What about a contractor who felt it had invincible technology, and clocking capabilities? What about a breakaway civilization?

Below are pretty decent listens/ critiques of the balloons and objects from the perspective of the UAP community:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNabpjejATs

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UFOs Shot Down Over US & Canada: Alien Cover Up?
Post Disclosure World 1.3K Likes 9,923 Views Feb 13 2023 Four UFOs or UAP have been shot down over Canada and the United States. One of them turned out to be a Chinese spy balloon.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys47XIOD8h8

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28 - Need to Know - Chinese Balloons? (02-10-23) Need to Know (Coulthart & Zabel) 1.4K Likes 21,238 Views Feb 11 2023 #NeedtoKnow

IMPORTANT: This episode of "Need to Know" was recorded after the downing of the Chinese surveillance balloon off of South Carolina, and within two hours of posting, the Alaska shoot-down took place, followed quickly by the Yukon shooting. While we are working on an episode that will specifically address these fast-breaking stories, we do believe this episode — #28 "Chinese Balloons" — has plenty of important and original material in it. Please give it a listen as the analysis of the Chinese balloon excuse is important background for a discussion of Alaska and Yukon.
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:49 pm to
Jesus is Lord.
Posted by HodsonTiger13
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:04 am to
The UAPs travel 60x the speed of sound. If they want to avoid being shot down, they can outrun anything we've got.

Chinese balloons are actually low-level technology compared to the true UAPs.

UAPs appear near nuclear sites and historically have increased activity during time of conflict.

Hypothesis: UAPs are highly active now as we are in a danger zone of WW3. Aging and unstable Putin is capable of launching nukes. UAPs would intervene if this happens to avoid mutual assured destruction wiping out our planet.

Just a theory...
Posted by 10thyrsr
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:39 am to


Balloon spotted over my house in Texas 2020. Posted about it in another thread. The spy balloons have been here for a while
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 12:41 am
Posted by Enadious
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:09 am to
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Could a defense contractor or private industry have a fleet of craft and technology that is completely off the books?

It happened in James Bond novels so I guess it could happen in real life....NOT
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:16 am to
To much writing to read
Posted by CoachDon
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:31 am to
Rule is true: Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.

It's likely less/lower when dealing with our corrupt and immoral government and government controlled media currently in place.

Truth is we will probably never know the truth. That's how we stay "sheeple" to them and conform to their will.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/18/23 at 10:56 pm to
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There are rumblings of a massive Civil War going on within both the intelligence community and the department of defense on this issue.


Wanted to expand on this (war within DoD/military)

https://www.christophermellon.net/post/statement-for-the-press-and-public-regarding-recent-uap-shoot-downs

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Statement For the Press and Public Regarding Recent UAP Shoot-downs Updated: 3 days ago


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When the New York Times story of Dec 16, 2017 failed to enervate Congress to engage on the issue, I contacted some former colleagues on the staff of the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees, introducing them to Mr. Elizondo. Subsequently, we facilitated introductions to a handful of brave U.S. Navy aviators willing to speak out, including Cmdr. Dave Fravor and Lt. Ryan Graves and Lt. Alex Dietrich, who were able to provide compelling first-hand testimony about the extent of the UAP issue. The Navy was notably helpful while the Air Force remained notably unhelpful, if not hostile, to inquiries on the subject.


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Discussions with the Intelligence and Armed Services committee staff led to a request by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for a formal DNI report on the UAP issue. The resulting preliminary assessment delivered in June of 2021 identified 143 military UAP incidents since 2004. More than half the incidents were validated by multiple sources. Although a striking number, it was but a fraction of the actual total. Fearing it might damage their careers, reporting UAP encounters was until very recently always the exception rather than the rule among military personnel. Even among the civilian populace, we know that 90% of the time UAP sightings are not reported. Notably, USAF F-22’s were operating in the same training areas as the Navy aviators, yet, despite having superior sensor systems, they were not reporting UAP that must have been detected by their radars. In fact, the preliminary assessment provided to Congress was almost completely devoid of information from the U.S. Air Force despite the fact that the Air Force (as a department which also oversees U.S. Space Force) has far more aircraft and sensor systems than the Navy as well as the responsibility for supporting NORAD. It is my understanding that NORAD did not include in the ODNI report any of the thousands of “Uncorrelated Tracks” that its radars identify each year over North America. To be sure, most are flocks of geese or private planes with malfunctioning transponders etc., but there are also more serious cases that the Air Force did not report, including, it now seems, cases where U.S. and/or Canadian Air Forces scrambled fighter aircraft to intercept UAP.


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By last May, when the House Intelligence Committee held an open public hearing on the UAP issue the number of official UAP reports had climbed to 400. More recently, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence submitted a new unclassified report on UAP indicating that it had succeeded in characterizing 195 of 510 UAP incidents. However, the residual number of unexplained UAP incidents remains in excess of 300, again not including NORAD uncorrelated targets or undersea anomalies or anomalies in space. Many of us researching the UAP issue believe the government has data regarding UAP in the oceans and space that it still has not shared with Congress or the public.


Article today:
https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/the-pentagons-silence-on-ufos-threatens-to-undermine-president-biden

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The Pentagon's Silence On UFOs Threatens To Undermine President Biden


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Sources who have spoken to Liberation Times have claimed that a senior Commander within the United States Navy has informed President Joe Biden of a UAP coverup which is damning of the United States Air Force - a claim first made by Australian journalist, Ross Coulthart. Commenting on the general situation regarding UAP transparency, Jeremy Corbell told Liberation Times that the floodgates are now opening and that the ball is now in the DoD’s court.


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According to sources who have spoken to Liberation Times, information relating to physics-defying UAP is being hidden from both Congress and President Joe Biden.


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Sources who have spoken to Liberation Times have claimed that a senior Commander within the United States Navy has informed President Joe Biden of a UAP coverup which is damning of the United States Air Force. The claim was first made by Australian journalist Ross Coulthart on 15 February 2023, through the podcast ‘Need to Know’, which he presents with writer and producer, Bryce Zabel.


Listened to the “Need to Know” podcast

Speculation is as follows:

Air Force officials are purposefully hostile to UAP inquiry because they are linked to and knowledge of illegal programs surrounding it

Senior Navy officials have become aware and approached the executive branch /CiC

Further fringe speculation:

Recent shoot downs may be forces within the military playing a game with the Air Force…
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 1:10 pm to
Housekeeping post to tranfer to the mothership thread:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_cFHCP1hZBE&feature=youtu.be

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Air Force Misleading President Joe Biden on UFOs? ??

Post Disclosure World 382 Likes 1,370 Views
Feb 19 2023

Reports of the Air Force misleading President Joe Biden on UAP UFO is covered in this video.


Video summary for the visually inclined / non-readers

More visuals:







17 for those keeping track of such things…

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https://news.clearancejobs.com/2023/02/17/the-pentagon-is-now-addressing-use-of-special-access-program-classification/

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The Pentagon is Now Addressing Use of Special Access Program Classification

Peter Suciu / Feb 17, 2023


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It likely wouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that the United States Department of Defense (DoD) oversees a number of classified programs of which few know all the details. Known as “Special Access Programs” (SAPs), these are established to control access and distribution and provide protection for sensitive classified information beyond that normally required. As previously reported, this is a high state of enforced need-to-know, and only a minimum number of cleared employees are given access to SAP information. SAPs can range from secret black projects – for new aircraft, weapons, etc. – to routine but especially-sensitive operations, such as presidential transportation support. There are also two types of SAP: acknowledged and unacknowledged. The former SAP may be publicly disclosed, yet, details of the program remain classified; while the latter is known only to authorized persons, including members of the appropriate committee of the United States Congress.


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“I think anyone in those systems has understood that the number of SAPs has kind of spiraled out of control,” Plumb continued


The programs that I and others speculate about are well beyond unacknowledged SAPs

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/02/out-of-control-dod-reviews-use-of-super-secret-sap-classification-for-space-programs-and-beyond/

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‘Out of control’: DoD reviews use of super-secret SAP classification, for space programs and beyond

John Plumb, DoD assistant secretary for space policy, suggested overuse of SAPs is hindering information sharing across programs and, more importantly, to allies.

By THERESA HITCHENS on February 14, 2023 at 2:41 PM


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Further, many senior military space leaders, such as former Joint Chiefs of Staff vice chair John Hyten, have vociferously argued that it is impossible to deter the hostile use of space with invisible weapons. Plumb, for his part, has been focused in particular on mitigating over-classification in order to enable the Pentagon to better make use of the “asymmetric advantage” provided by US allies with space capabilities.


Things to ponder:

Who/what benefits from all of this compartmentalization

Rethinking the creation of the Space Force (as it relates to current Air Force concerns) - prior 4D chess move

Was Space Command taken away from the Air Force?

As we may have rogue elements within one of the major divisions of the military. Managing /obfuscating illegal programs outside of oversight (possibly for personal gain while suppressing technology that could revolutionize humanity).

Reminds me of:



Also, did anyone else see the irony of circling back to weather balloons as the story and the location in Alaska of one of the shoot downs = Deadhorse…

Stay sharp patriots
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 1:22 pm to
March and spring continue to look to be leading up to something big:



He puts out very reputable content. Exo uses the term humility. Lue claims that somber would be the reaction

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mjuDDFUmPds

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Dimensions of Disclosure: Unpacking History in Light of the Emerging Revelations
ExoAcademian 118 Likes 1,316 Views Feb 18 2023

Generally speaking, with this podcast, each episode takes a different topic pertaining to the UFO Phenomenon and general paranormality and does a deep dive into it. That being the case, for the most part, Point of Convergence is not a current affairs kind of show. My aim is to make each episode relevant, regardless of when and where any particular listener happens to access and consume it. That said, recent events are such that I think that, on this particular occasion, it makes sense to veer from that overarching strategy. And that’s because, simply put, I believe we are living through truly extraordinary times; times that speak to a key inflection point in the history of our civilization. While even our current era is the product of events that have been unfolding for decades now, I believe evidence suggests this particular period of the 2020s is particularly significant.


What’s on the table:

Civilization changing events
Zero point /free energy
Anti-gravity tech
Understanding humanity’s true origin
Potential cataclysm to navigate
Merging of the spiritual and science

He also argues that object identification and shoot downs were orchestrated psy-ops to prime the public for upcoming events

Prayers
Faith
Let thy Will lead to the best possible outcomes
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:01 am to
2 recent good reads:

https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-blogs/cosmic-relief-david-grinspoon/et-on-earth/

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ET ON EARTH?
BY: DAVID GRINSPOON FEBRUARY 16, 2023


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We also don’t really know what we should be searching for. And astronomy, which assumes an objectivity and consistency to natural phenomena, is ill-equipped to study something that might be aware of and deliberately avoiding or confusing our observations, or even studying us. Nevertheless, there’s a logical continuity between extrasolar technosignatures, solar system SETI, and possible extraterrestrial UAPs. If we admit the worth of one, we cannot dismiss the others.


This is a HUGE point that escapes most folks

This is not a natural science study, it is a forensics investigation that involves some level of deception and complexity…

If a reductionist can’t measure it, it does not exist. Hence, historically we have been told this issue did not exist

Precedent: Simmelweis was not validated until Pasteur proved him right. Unfortunately, in his lifetime, Simmelweis was labeled a kook, institutionalized, and likely died of infection he acquired while in that setting (talk about irony).

But…

More contemporary sensor arrays have allowed us to better perceive and quantify our experience

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3867884-as-the-ufo-mystery-deepens-scientists-must-engage-with-the-data/

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As the UFO mystery deepens, scientists must engage with the data BY MARIK VON RENNENKAMPFF, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 02/21/23 1:01 PM ET


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In 2014 and 2015, for example, at least 50 to 60 naval aviators training in tightly controlled airspace off the U.S. East Coast observed unknown objects exhibiting extraordinary flight characteristics. Critically, aircrews observed the mysterious craft visually or via sensors on a daily basis. Pentagon officials ruled out secret U.S. technology, leading some analysts to surmise that the mysterious objects were foreign surveillance platforms. But recent reporting appears to undercut this theory. According to the Wall Street Journal, intelligence officials monitored three brief Trump-era incursions by suspected Chinese surveillance balloons. If analysts managed to track such fleeting incidents in real time, it strains credulity that a foreign power mounted a complex surveillance operation involving hundreds, if not thousands, of balloons (or drones) on a daily basis, for years, without detection. Moreover, it appears that the diplomatic and media spectacle sparked by China’s massive surveillance balloon is due to a colossal screw-up. Intelligence analysts who tracked the airship’s launch now believe that atypical weather patterns blew it off its intended course. (Guam and Hawaii were the actual targets.) Beijing, it seems, never meant to send its spy balloon over the continental United States.


Conflated/inflated story???
A bunch of hot air?

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Importantly, U.S. officials are unimpressed by the technology recovered from China’s surveillance balloon. In stark contrast, the flight characteristics of the mysterious objects observed daily by naval aviators suggest highly advanced (and distinctly un-balloon-like) technology. Aircrews encountered objects capable of remaining stationary in high winds or flying at considerable speeds for extreme durations. Intriguingly, the mysterious craft were frequently invisible to the naked eye. While radar and various infrared heat sensors indicated the presence of real, physical objects, aviators who investigated the strange contacts – often with the assistance of advanced helmet displays – rarely saw them visually.


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In one documented instance approximately 100 miles off the coast of North Carolina, four naval aviators flew up to an object tracked by both radar and heat sensors. Despite clear indications that a real object was present, the two aircrews saw nothing visually from a distance of only 200 feet. In another noteworthy 2014 incident, two objects with heat and radar signatures hovered at altitudes of 12,000 and 15,000 feet. As aviators watched one of the strange craft hovering stationary in strong winds aloft, two other objects – both with heat signatures – flew by “at a high speed.” Such flight characteristics are genuinely perplexing, and hardly attributable to balloons. Ditto for the “GoFast” UAP video, which naval aviators recorded off the coast of Florida in early 2015. Two independent geometrical models of the encounter show that, even if a key on-screen figure ballyhooed by UFO skeptics is accurate, the object has intrinsic speed. In other words, the craft moved significantly faster than the winds aloft. Since the object in the “GoFast” video is small, with no wings or obvious means of propulsion, its intrinsic speed suggests highly advanced technology. Perhaps most importantly, meticulous three-dimensional reconstructions of the now-famous “Gimbal” UAP video confirm that the object demonstrated truly remarkable flight characteristics. With a “stable” radar lock, aviators have “high confidence” that the craft was within 10 miles of the jet that recorded the video. (The aircrew ultimately “flew right up to” the mysterious object.) At that distance, the object’s geometrically reconstructed flight path shows that it slowed from a speed of several hundred miles per hour to a stop in mid-air before abruptly reversing direction in a vertical U-turn. While such an unorthodox maneuver would take a fighter jet nearly a mile to complete, the “Gimbal” UAP executed it in a fraction of that distance with no wings or discernible means of propulsion — an astoundingly perplexing feat, especially at high altitude.



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When will scientists reject the government-fueled stigma that long hindered sober, objective study of UAP and grapple with the perplexing (and compelling) data in front of them?

Marik von Rennenkampff served as an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, as well as an Obama administration appointee at the U.S. Department of Defense.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:36 pm to
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When will scientists reject the government-fueled stigma that long hindered sober, objective study of UAP and grapple with the perplexing (and compelling) data in front of them?



https://archive.ph/tOuPN

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US Government Has Been Dancing Around UFOS for 75 Years
Analysis by Stephen Mihm | Bloomberg
February 22, 2023 at 11:01 a.m. EST


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The spectacle of the US military shooting down three unidentified objects in the space of a week has opened the door to baseless speculations and conspiracy theories, thanks in part to the government’s contradictory messaging, which has toggled between genuine alarm and casual dismissal.

Sadly, this looks a lot like what happened 75 years ago, when sightings of what became known as unidentified flying objects, or UFOs, led to a media circus that undermined legitimate inquiry into what is now known simply as unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP.


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Government representatives found the collective obsession with UFOs deeply frustrating. In public, they dismissed the reports, arguing that ordinary citizens, their imaginations inflamed, had mistaken weather balloons, jet planes and meteorites for extraterrestrial craft.

Yet in private, high-ranking officials acknowledged that some sightings, particularly those reported by military pilots and radar, could not be so easily dismissed. In the fall of 1947, General Nathan Twining, then head of the Air Force Materiel Command, authored a memo on the subject. Reviewing classified data, he concluded that “the phenomena is something real and not visionary or fictitious.”

By “phenomena,” Twining was referring to craft that moved at extraordinary speeds and displayed “extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and motion…” These aerial vehicles, he reported, generally left no trail and rarely made any noise. They behaved in ways that defied conventional explanations.
Twining, who would go on to become chief of staff for the US Air Force and eventually chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was extremely circumspect in his assessment. Notably, he did not speculate about extraterrestrials and instead worried that a foreign nation could be responsible.


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The Air Force’s “Project Sign,” begun that same year, studied the phenomena more closely. An initial memorandum — known as the “Estimate of the Situation” — seriously entertained the possibility that at least some of the sightings might be interstellar craft. But leaders of the Air Force didn’t take kindly to this unsettling conclusion. They remanded the memo and ultimately shut down Project Sign, replacing it with “Project Grudge.”

The new initiative was not a dispassionate inquiry, but a deliberate attempt to quell public anxiety. One scholarly account has described it as a “a public relations campaign designed to persuade the public that UFOs constituted nothing unusual or extraordinary.”


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In 1952, after ground observers and radar picked up fast-moving mysterious objects over the nation’s capital, Major General John Samford, director of intelligence for the Air Force, held a press conference . He bluntly spoke of “credible observers” reporting “relatively incredible things.”


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But such incidents, impossible to explain and posing no obvious threat to the US and its allies, increasingly took a back seat to dealing with the Soviet Union. Through the later 1950s and 1960s, “Project Blue Book,” the successor to Project Grudge, successfully quelled the nation’s obsession with flying saucers. Increasingly, UFOs became a risible punchline, akin to Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster.


Distractions...
History repeats
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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:30 pm to
https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/former-chief-for-defense-contractor-that-ran-area-51-claimed-knowledge-of-recovered-flying-saucer-and-live-being-as-congress-looks-to-uncover-details-of-alleged-illegal-ufo-programs

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Former Chief For Defense Contractor That Ran Area 51 Claimed Knowledge Of Recovered ‘Flying Saucer’ And ‘Live Being’, As Congress Looks To Uncover Details Of Alleged Illegal UFO Programs


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Alfred O’Donnell, a senior manager of EG&G, the defense contractor that managed Area 51, claimed that “they did have a flying saucer that had been recovered from New Mexico,” and a “live being” according to investigative journalist George Knapp, who interviewed him on numerous occasions.

According to Knapp, O’Donnell, when speaking about the ‘being’ told him: “We didn't know what it was…To tell you the truth, we couldn't communicate with it. In the beginning, we didn't know what it was, we didn't know where it was from. And we didn't know what to do with it.”

Knapp added that O’Donnell compared the being’s appearance to former Presidential nominee Ross Perot, unlike the classical grey-looking alien. Knapp also shared a story about a former female employee of defense contractor Holmes & Narver who allegedly had knowledge about "crashed saucers, recovered materials, and what sounded like a Roswell-type incident." Before Knapp was scheduled to speak with her, the woman was intimidated by unknown agents, which caused her to cancel the meeting. Even after two decades, she continued to refuse a meeting.


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In the early 1990s, former Senate Majority Leader Robert Byrd, who was chair of the Senate Committee on Appropriations, and the late Senator Harry Reid, who would later serve as Senate Majority Leader, tasked D'Amato with investigating the topic. After investigating and visiting Area 51, D’Amato was unable to verify claims relating to crashed saucers but according to Knapp thought it “entirely feasible, that this UFO cover-up exists within a private company, a company”, such as Lockheed Martin, EG&G or Northrop Grumman.


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Speaking to Liberation Times, Jeremy Corbell commented: ‘Credible people have given accounts of crashed flying saucers recovered by the United States Military for decades. On face value - these claims seem implausible; almost comical. How could craft of such advanced and exotic origin suddenly become nonoperational or experience critical failure over the deserts of New Mexico - and numerous other locations? ‘This continued narrative has always bothered me. However - these accounts increasingly appear to be true and factual. With each step towards the heart of this matter - I have found verifiable evidence that this is indeed exactly what has happened. That our government has put into place rapid-response recovery and isolation teams - and well articulated and mobilized programs to deal with downed UFOs as well. If you are unaware - it’s time to catch up. ‘The presence of UFOs traversing our skies for generations represents one of the closest guarded secrets of our time. The implications and fears that cause the aura of secrecy surrounding this mystery relates to the derivative technology exploitation programs that have emerged - as well as - concerns about the development of weapons of mass destruction based on reverse engineering of these non-terrestrial technologies. ‘The real question is - WHY does the coverup of these events persist? WHY are witnesses routinely silenced through threat of reprisal or personal harm? ‘The answer to this is actually pretty simple. Until we know what we’re dealing with - this is a new technological race. A silent and invisible Cold War. And the winner takes all.

‘This technology can change the world - but the world will certainly change when consensus reality catches up with actual reality - and it’s widely understood that the builders of these machines are from somewhere else. Then - and only then - will we begin to see the true nature of our reality a bit more clearly.’
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:34 pm to
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