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re: Two things can be true at the same time
Posted on 1/26/26 at 4:55 pm to jimmy the leg
Posted on 1/26/26 at 4:55 pm to jimmy the leg
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How do you know that was no danger?
X-ray vision?
With your standard, what limits LEO from shoving any random person on the street?
ETA: non-naked person. Had to clarify.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 4:56 pm
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 4:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We literally have the video
The actual operation was across the street, even
You don't know any of this. You're speculating, and your speculation is based on shite you've seen/read on social media. You have no idea whether or not that woman was obstructing. You do not know where/how she was first engaged. You do not know what all/where all ICE was engaged in their work.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 4:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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With your standard, what limits LEO from shoving any random person on the street?
In the midst of an enforcement operation?
So you think people should just crowd LEO doing their job?
What distance is too close in your view? One inch?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 4:59 pm to David_DJS
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ou don't know any of this. You're speculating,
No. I watched the videos
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and your speculation is based on shite you've seen/read on social media.
No. It's from the videos.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
You have yet to answer my question:
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How do you know that she presented no danger?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. It's from the videos.
which no doubt offer a 360 degree view of what is going on and cover the entire evolution of the incident
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:01 pm to jimmy the leg
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In the midst of an enforcement operation?
Not really relevant to the situation with the woman shoved. She was across the street from the enforcement operation at that point.
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So you think people should just crowd LEO doing their job?
She was across the street.
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What distance is too close in your view? One inch?
She was a couple of feet away from LEO
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:01 pm to RohanGonzales
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and cover the entire evolution of the incident
I think this is what you're trying to hang your hat on
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:02 pm to CatahoulaCur
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Two things can be true at the same time
So lets get specific about this which situation are you talking about?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Answer the question:
How do you know that she presented no danger?
How do you know that she presented no danger?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. I watched the videos
That's what I said.
So again, your speculation is based on what you've seen/read on social media. It's weird that a guy with a brain as big as yours thinks he has all the facts because social media informed him.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:04 pm to jimmy the leg
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How do you know that she presented no danger?
Hands in clear view with no weapons
Feet away from LEO
Not approaching LEO
What else do you think LEO consider?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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with no weapons
How do you know?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:08 pm to jimmy the leg
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How do you know?
Her hands are out in the open
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
What is wrong with that video?
Seriously, THAT is the new "outrage" of the day?
Seriously, THAT is the new "outrage" of the day?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:09 pm to RohanGonzales
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What is wrong with that video?
Seriously, THAT is the new "outrage" of the day?
You probably didn't read so here you go
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Her hands are out in the open
What is under her jacket?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:15 pm to jimmy the leg
Until her hands go to her jacket, that's not part of the threat assessment.
The LEO would be justified in shoving her once she did that.
However, she didn't, and I made sure that was clear.
The LEO would be justified in shoving her once she did that.
However, she didn't, and I made sure that was clear.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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quoted the case to educate you. It's limited to the specific incident.
why in the Good case is the agents history is being used.
Explain how they can use the agent being ran over 6 months earlier that resulted in 38 stitches?
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this case, the incident is the scenario around the shove itself.
Lol. Way off. I just looked it up. My lord man.
Justice Kagan
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A court deciding a use-of-force case cannot review the totality of the circumstances if it has put on chronological blinders."
?"The moment-of-threat rule applied below prevents that sort of attention to context, and thus conflicts with this Court’s instruction to analyze the totality of the circumstances
?On the "Two-Second" Limit
?She addressed the specific facts of the Barnes case, where the lower courts focused only on the final seconds:
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By limiting their view to the two-second snippet of the encounter... the lower courts could not take into account anything preceding that final moment."
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"Most notable here, the 'totality of the circumstances' inquiry has no time limit. While the situation at the precise time of the shooting will often matter most, earlier facts and circumstances may bear on how a reasonable officer would have understood and responded to later ones."
Seems he is right, and you are wrong
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:17 pm to jimmy the leg
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How do you know that she presented no danger?
This is silly. You could randomly attack anyone using this logic.
You're supposed to positively prove that there IS danger presented. Not prove that you know that there is none in some backwards prove a negative nonsense way.
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