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re: Two questions about Trump

Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by BornKjun
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2008
1020 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:24 pm to
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completely underestimated the surge


Fair point. Makes sense
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15906 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:25 pm to
The Dems under predicted how many votes Trump would get and did not stuff enough fake ballots. This is why Hillary, :
1.Pressed Trump repeatedly in debates about him conceding if he lost
2. She was so confident and smug because she had been told the fix was in

.She had a complete mental breakdown when she found out Trump won because she had been assured it was her turn and she would win (After Obama ).
Posted by dolamite
st. mary parish
Member since Sep 2009
1113 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:33 pm to
Simply put, during Trump's term, inflation was in check and we were energy independent. China, Russia, NK would not consider fricking with us because Trump, like Reagan, dealt with their leaders from a position of strength, not weakness, like this old crook we have now.
He had to battle the DC swamp, their media and constant bullshite from lying frickers like Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell.
In his next term, we can on;y hope that he will be able to reduce the size of the federal gov't. And with the help of a Republican majority in congress, oversee a gov't where Congress does their job instead of passing the buck to some unelected bureaucrat.
Posted by NorthTiger
Upper 40
Member since Jan 2004
3965 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:33 pm to
This means little on the grand scale.

All i know is all of my closest friends voted for Trump twice and they are telling me they would never vote for him or Desantis and or looking for a Republican candidate to support.

If Trump were to get the nomination they would just close their eyes and vote for him and they sure wouldn’t vote for Biden. They think their only option in that scenario is to just not vote, which goes against everything they believe in.
Posted by LARancher1991
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2015
2237 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:35 pm to
I like me some Vivek. Especially his plan of shutting down multiple government agencies.
Posted by BornKjun
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2008
1020 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:40 pm to
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All i know is all of my closest friends voted for Trump twice and they are telling me they would never vote for him or Desantis and or looking for a Republican candidate to support.


I asked someone today who attended a Trump fundraiser a few years ago if he attended the one in Metairie yesterday-- He said hell no and no one who went with him last time did either.

Take that for what it's worth...
Posted by BornKjun
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2008
1020 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:43 pm to
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I like me some Vivek.


Vivek does seem to be stressing deconstructing the bureaucracy while showing a lot of competence.

He's basically shown so far that his strengths are similar to both Trump (anti-DC) and DeSantis (competence).

We'll see if his momentum has any staing power over the next few months. I kind of expect his debate performance to knock Desantis out completely.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9405 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:43 pm to
Trump didn't get it done because he appointed terrible people around him, he said stupid things, and he trusted scumbags like Fauci and Wray. He was also extremely disorganized and had no real plan for getting legislation passed and didn't understand how to actually do the job.

He was great at the stuff he could do himself for the most part or that worked to his strengths. For instance foreign policy and trade deals. He was smart enough to listen to the people that told him to just nominate from a list of SC Justices the Heritage Foundation gave him. He was pretty good on EO's but he didn't do his homework half the time so he kept running into legal messes with them that left openings for Activist Judges to mess with him.

If you are taking on the Swamp you better have a real plan with a serious team of dedicated people. Personally I knew Trump was in trouble when prior to taking office it was clear he hadn't put much thought into who he would appoint to what positions and he ended up relying on others to tell him. He's got even stupider people around him now and he has burned every bridge imaginable with people that are competent because he throws everyone under the bus, even those who took bullets for him.

Acting like "Well Trump failed so everyone else will fail too" is beyond stupid. Trump was a disorganized mess and still is. He still makes his Truth Social posts look like a 12 year old who can't read a teleprompter very well.
Posted by LARancher1991
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2015
2237 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:46 pm to
Yea we will see. I just don't know if he has enough backing from the powers that be in the republican party to make a realistic run at it.
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
9775 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 5:09 pm to
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Biden is a terrible candidate. Yet Trump lost to him.


Lol. Ok.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
100,000 posts
Member since Jan 2007
55800 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 5:09 pm to
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Trump lost to him.

This is where you're having problems.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 5:57 pm to
quote:

Trump didn't get it done because he appointed terrible people around him, he said stupid things, and he trusted scumbags like Fauci and Wray. He was also extremely disorganized and had no real plan for getting legislation passed and didn't understand how to actually do the job.

He was great at the stuff he could do himself for the most part or that worked to his strengths. For instance foreign policy and trade deals. He was smart enough to listen to the people that told him to just nominate from a list of SC Justices the Heritage Foundation gave him. He was pretty good on EO's but he didn't do his homework half the time so he kept running into legal messes with them that left openings for Activist Judges to mess with him.

If you are taking on the Swamp you better have a real plan with a serious team of dedicated people. Personally I knew Trump was in trouble when prior to taking office it was clear he hadn't put much thought into who he would appoint to what positions and he ended up relying on others to tell him. He's got even stupider people around him now and he has burned every bridge imaginable with people that are competent because he throws everyone under the bus, even those who took bullets for him.

Acting like "Well Trump failed so everyone else will fail too" is beyond stupid. Trump was a disorganized mess and still is. He still makes his Truth Social posts look like a 12 year old who can't read a teleprompter very well.

That pretty much sums it up.

Except I would question the whole trade deals thing. He got us out of a lot of deals, but really didn't make any new deals. Updating NAFTA could hardly be considered any kind of new deal. That was one of the things I really thought he would be able to accomplish, being a businessman and all, but he disappointed there as well.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34125 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

How did he win the first time?

They couldnt hide their activities under the excuse of a pandemic
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9405 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:10 pm to
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quote: Trump didn't get it done because he appointed terrible people around him, he said stupid things, and he trusted scumbags like Fauci and Wray. He was also extremely disorganized and had no real plan for getting legislation passed and didn't understand how to actually do the job. He was great at the stuff he could do himself for the most part or that worked to his strengths. For instance foreign policy and trade deals. He was smart enough to listen to the people that told him to just nominate from a list of SC Justices the Heritage Foundation gave him. He was pretty good on EO's but he didn't do his homework half the time so he kept running into legal messes with them that left openings for Activist Judges to mess with him. If you are taking on the Swamp you better have a real plan with a serious team of dedicated people. Personally I knew Trump was in trouble when prior to taking office it was clear he hadn't put much thought into who he would appoint to what positions and he ended up relying on others to tell him. He's got even stupider people around him now and he has burned every bridge imaginable with people that are competent because he throws everyone under the bus, even those who took bullets for him. Acting like "Well Trump failed so everyone else will fail too" is beyond stupid. Trump was a disorganized mess and still is. He still makes his Truth Social posts look like a 12 year old who can't read a teleprompter very well. That pretty much sums it up. Except I would question the whole trade deals thing. He got us out of a lot of deals, but really didn't make any new deals. Updating NAFTA could hardly be considered any kind of new deal. That was one of the things I really thought he would be able to accomplish, being a businessman and all, but he disappointed there as well.


This actually isn't true and I am obviously a huge DeSantis guy. Trump's best decision of his Presidency is one I would bet most people here don't even know about. One name, Robert Lighthizer. He was one of the few guys that went wire to wire for Trump as US Trade Rep. Old Reagan guy that gave absolutely no fricks.

Lighthizer is famous for sitting down in a trade negotiation and laying out brutal terms, then placing his interpreter earpiece down on the table while the other side spoke, then saying "So do we have a deal?" He made deals with Japan, South Korea, and Australia to go along with the new NAFTA. In all of them he basically said "Here's the deal and we have all the cards. Shut up and get on board." They all did. He told China we didn't need them. He had the deal on the table with the UK and they were about to close it before Trump left but it was going to be humiliating for them.

There was no better hire Trump made and no one that was more true MAGA than him. Absolute badass. He was so strong btw that even Biden isn't messing with those trade deals and he has also stayed tough on China.

Biden replaced Lighthizer with Tai who is basically leaving everything alone and she has one great redeeming quality. She's Taiwanese and freaking hates China. That's also how we got the only smart bill passed that Biden did, the CHIPs Act that is moving Semiconductor manufacturing to the US and away from Taiwan. TSMC is spending $40 Billion in Arizona alone to build 3 NM and below chips. In a few more years we will have all the manufacturing capacity for the tech we need here in the US. All we need now is to get the O&G sector back online but that's not happening with Biden.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55634 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:15 pm to
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Lighthizer is famous for sitting down in a trade negotiation and laying out brutal terms, then placing his interpreter earpiece down on the table while the other side spoke, then saying "So do we have a deal?" He made deals with Japan, South Korea, and Australia to go along with the new NAFTA. In all of them he basically said "Here's the deal and we have all the cards. Shut up and get on board." They all did. He told China we didn't need them. He had the deal on the table with the UK and they were about to close it before Trump left but it was going to be humiliating for them.

There was no better hire Trump made and no one that was more true MAGA than him. Absolute badass. He was so strong btw that even Biden isn't messing with those trade deals and he has also stayed tough on China.

Biden replaced Lighthizer with Tai who is basically leaving everything alone and she has one great redeeming quality. She's Taiwanese and freaking hates China. That's also how we got the only smart bill passed that Biden did, the CHIPs Act that is moving Semiconductor manufacturing to the US and away from Taiwan. TSMC is spending $40 Billion in Arizona alone to build 3 NM and below chips. In a few more years we will have all the manufacturing capacity for the tech we need here in the US. All we need now is to get the O&G sector back online but that's not happening with Biden.



I thought Navarro was in on some of the reworking of US trade deals too. Is Navarro taking credit where none is due?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87240 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

What exactly am I getting with Trump this time (vs other candidates)?



They don't know and they don't care. They'll go wherever he leads them.
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
3947 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:17 pm to
They cheated.

Like you have never seen before.

You know it.

frick You.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9405 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:25 pm to
Lighthizer was the badass, Navarro was the big talker. Lighthizer is the one who busted balls and got it done. Dude's a freaking gangster.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22655 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:30 pm to
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Best case scenario is that Desantis battles the deep state like trump did.

I would think he'd do it differently than Trump, or at least try. Trump became a nice target for them, but as far as battling back he really didn't do much. Permanent Washington grew in power, grew in reach, became wealthier and more bold during the Trump presidency. Not that it's a given, but I think DeSantis would have a better chance at laying a glove or two on the deep state.
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