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re: Two lawsuits challenge 10 Commandments monument at Arkansas Capitol
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:07 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:07 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Please enlighten me. You're the one who compared Baphomet to the 10 commandments.
We know how this story ends, Westboro
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:12 pm to troyt37
quote:
It's freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. We are a Christian nation founded on Christian principles.
John Adams disagrees with you.
From the treaty of Tripoly
“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:19 pm to ctalati32
quote:Adams was correct in that our country is not officially of any one religion like England. However, what is meant is that our country was founded on Christian principles, being progeny of the Christian pilgrims who fled to the colonies to escape religious persecution. Even the rights guaranteed by the Constitution are protected because they come from God.
John Adams disagrees with you.
From the treaty of Tripoly
“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:25 pm to ctalati32
quote:
John Adams disagrees with you.
Well, it's a good thing that John Adams was only one of many founders of this country then, or I would be full of shite.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
What would you estimate the percentage to be, of founders who believed that Creator to be the Christian God?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:32 pm to ctalati32
quote:
John Adams disagrees with you. From the treaty of Tripoly “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
Not that old trope again.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:33 pm to FooManChoo
You're wasting your time. They're brainwashed.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:36 pm to Dale51
quote:You're right, but I don't debate to change their minds, but hopefully the minds of those less brainwashed that might be watching.
You're wasting your time. They're brainwashed.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:39 pm to troyt37
quote:
It's freedom of religion, not freedom from religion
Thats person to person. Not coming from the government.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,"
IOW, the government is not to take sides.
Can you please address this.
quote:
We are a Christian nation founded on Christian principles.
If you mean that most of the people that initially settled the country were Christian, then yes, I agree with you. And while many of them were morally guided by their religious principals they were also very careful and wise enough not to establish any specific branch of religion into law. This was certainly no accident as their memory wasnt as short as ours and they heeded the hard lessons of events like the Spanish Inquisition.
Better yet, Ill let them tell you...
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
-John Adams
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
-Thomas Jefferson
"Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses."
-John Adams
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
-Thomas Jefferson
"[T]here remains in others a strong bias towards the old error, that without some sort of alliance or coalition between Government & Religion neither can be duly supported... the danger cannot be too carefully guarded against.
Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance... [R]eligion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together...
We are teaching the world the great truth that Govts. do better without Kings & Nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that Religion flourishes in greater purity, without then with the aid of Govt."
-James Madison
"And here without anger or resentment I bid you farewell. Sincerely wishing, that as men and christians, ye many always fully and uninteruptedly enjoy every civil and religious right; and be, in your turn, the means of securing it to others; but that the example which ye have unwisely set, of mingling religion with politics, may be disavowed and reprobated by every inhabitant of America."
-Thomas Paine
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:54 pm to troyt37
quote:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
I think it's funny that you're posting this. This specifically proves that the founders specifically didn't say we are are Christian nation. They wanted it to be based on each and everyone's individual creator and not pointing out one religion above others.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:55 pm to nola000
quote:
Thats person to person. Not coming from the government. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," IOW, the government is not to take sides. Can you please address this.
Here is how I would address it. If erecting a statue of the 10 Commandments constitutes an establishment of religion, which means that the government will in fact take sides, then erecting a statue of Lincoln, Washington, the Vietnam Memorial, Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Robert E. Lee, John F. Kennedy, Harriet Tubman, John Brown, the Little Rock Nine, and most state and federal buildings themselves do as well. All must come down.
Either we memorialize and celebrate the things and people that most Americans appreciate, or we memorialize and celebrate none of them.
There is no right to not be offended. There is no right to not be OFFENDED! THERE IS NO RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED!!!
Posted on 5/25/18 at 1:06 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
They didn't base our country's legal system on Satanism
They didn't base it on the Ten Commandments either.
Hell, only three of them are against the law in this country.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 1:12 pm to boogiewoogie1978
I know that when I think, "man, we have some issues in this country, I wish we could solve them".............I rank very highly on the list........."shite that's engraved on buildings".
Posted on 5/25/18 at 1:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Weren't the 10 commandments given to Jews?
Yep, and the Mooslims live by Mosaic Law as well.
The Ten Commandments are promoting Islam.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 1:39 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:The founders built our justice system on the foundations of the Judeo/Christian biblical worldview symbolized by the 10 commandments. That's why the 10 commandments show up in front of our court buildings. They symbolize the basis of our concept of justice.
They didn't base it on the Ten Commandments either.
Hell, only three of them are against the law in this country.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 1:46 pm to FooManChoo
Our great country will never be a theocracy, as much as you'd like it
Posted on 5/25/18 at 1:51 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
They symbolize the basis of our concept of justice.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 1:56 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Can we all in this thread just admit the reality that if you live in a nation where it is considered a pressing problem that a stone carving that is derived from a significant chunk of the heritage of the West(and I'm fricking atheist here) exists...............we really should all basically declare that there ain't shite worthy worrying about anymore.
Call it a day.
Call it a day.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 2:27 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:I haven't advocated for a theocracy
Our great country will never be a theocracy, as much as you'd like it
Posted on 5/25/18 at 2:29 pm to boogiewoogie1978
quote:I'll just say the obvious.
Donna Cave, Judith Lansky, Pat Piazza, and Susan Russell
All 4 of these women are loathsome creatures who I would absolutely hate to know personally. AND I'M ATHEIST!
Posted on 5/25/18 at 2:47 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Just let faithful Muslims put something there, too. You know, have a tribute to beheadings since that's an administration of the law in the middle East.
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