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re: Tucker going off on those who feel the need and urgency to protect Ukraine's borders.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:24 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:24 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Honestly not that worried about them. China is the true enemy. China has a lot of similarities to pre-WWII nazi Germany with the manufacturing base of the US at the same time. Like a present day amalgamation of the two.
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Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:34 pm to Richard Dangler
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Honestly not that worried about them.
It's too early for me to think similarly. I'm not sure what the Ruskies have in store for us.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:53 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
quote:Comment you replied to isn’t about Russian nukes. Its about Ukraine, who the US and others convinced to dismantle and destroy the nuclear arsenal that was in their country post-USSR break up. So essentially 30 years ago, the US/UN talked them into giving up nukes that would’ve been a major deterrent for any potential aggression against them by Russia
I'm not concerned about nukes. If Russia nukes, they are done.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:55 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
We just went through a 15 year war with crappy results. Same military leaders still leading. Our country has so many problems internally right now. Half the country hates the other half. We are not in any kind of shape to go fight a real enemy. Any pro-war talk at the moment is asinine.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:17 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
You obviously have NEVER served in a foreign shite hole like Iraq nor Afghanistan where it “got worse and worse”. I served multiple REAL DEAL COMBAT tours in both and they were not worth our blood nor riches. Let Europe get obliterated by Russia if they so choose…I’m done fighting wars to enrich multinational companies and neocons and communist/socialist opportunist.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:19 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I'm not concerned about nukes
Yeah the argument I was referencing (without myself making it) wasn't about Russia's nukes. Rather, it was about convincing Ukraine to sign a NPT with the promise of UK/US backing them and then saying, meh, good luck, when Russia comes aknocking.
I know it isn't that simple.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:41 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Russia ain't steamrolling through Europe, that's crazy talk. Their military is closer to what it was in WW1 and the beginning of WW2. It's not taking on multiple countries at once. That's not realistic
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:54 pm to RollTide1987
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Yeah, I do. Because for all their bark, Russia is a second-rate military power. They do not have near the capabilities that NATO, backed by the United States, would bring to the table.
I agree, which is why strategically, their only option is to nuke some key points and ask for parlay...
Our politicians know and want this...because Russia is in the way of the global hegemonic order, and allow countries like Hungary and Poland to defy that order.
If the US loses DC or Brussels or Anchorage, the politicians think it's a small price to pay...DESPITE the fact we have the capability to stop being hit by any triad platform.
Eta: this is exactly what Hillary was leaning into 4years ago...Trumpnjust delayed this nonsense
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:58 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I got into a stupid YouTube discussion the other day with a Russian I'm sure. I called Putin a dictator and they tried to convince me belligerently I know nothing. It's amazing how well propaganda works with the Russians. I just don't think it can work as well as it used to.
It works really well here too. You just don’t realize it
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:02 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Its about Ukraine, who the US and others convinced to dismantle and destroy the nuclear arsenal that was in their country post-USSR break up. So essentially 30 years ago, the US/UN talked them into giving up nukes that would’ve been a major deterrent for any potential aggression against them by Russia
I know all that is true. I know Ukraine gave up their nukes. Now we are faced with a potential war with Russia who has nukes. I don't think we will see a full scale nuclear war in my lifetime. But there has been discussion about battlefield sized tactical nukes being used in extreme cases. I get the feeling you think we may owe it to Ukraine to offer some support or protection because we asked them to give them up after the Cold War. Maybe but I wouldn't bet on it. I do believe that Russia can't be allowed to take over any country they wish to. That would set a terrible precedent. It may be time for the United States to toughen up.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:11 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Another issue is that if we don't shut down Russia here then China will see that as a sign of American weakness and embolden them even more to go after Taiwan.
I liked it better when it was just the USA v USSR. The Cold War everybody thought we were on the edge of WW3 but really weren't because the two countries weren't stupid enough to go toe to toe.
Now we have Russia and the Ukraine. China bullying all it's neighbors. India ain't backing down from China on that. Just feels like powder kegs ready to erupt all over the place. We really could be on the edge of WW3.
I liked it better when it was just the USA v USSR. The Cold War everybody thought we were on the edge of WW3 but really weren't because the two countries weren't stupid enough to go toe to toe.
Now we have Russia and the Ukraine. China bullying all it's neighbors. India ain't backing down from China on that. Just feels like powder kegs ready to erupt all over the place. We really could be on the edge of WW3.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:25 pm to RollTide1987
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However, all of this shite could have been avoided if we had made Ukraine part of NATO years ago.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:29 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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But there has been discussion about battlefield sized tactical nukes being used in extreme cases.
We had at one time intermediate nukes in Western Europe because we knew along with NATO we could not stop the Russian army from taking Western Europe. Those were dismantled and removed as part of deescalation in the late 90’s.
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:45 pm to lsufan1971
Anyone who listens to Tucker has an IQ below 69 . Nothing is wrong with the southern border fake news and propaganda brought on by the right .
They have been complaining for the last 40 years about the Southern Border and immigration.
They have been complaining for the last 40 years about the Southern Border and immigration.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 11:33 pm to Mr Cell Phone
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Nothing is wrong with the southern
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Mr Cell Phone
Member since Nov 2021
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I must have missed this one.
Another new idiot?
Posted on 1/25/22 at 11:42 pm to SoDakHawk
Well if WW3 starts many will just opt-out. It's the new American way of thinking.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 12:24 am to Mr Cell Phone
You sound simple son.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:07 am to aTmTexas Dillo
You must be a Boomer. Nobody hates the ruskies like boomers. Why should we hate them? Communism was overthrown in the 90s. They aren't communists now and their leader wants to restore their great empire. We are subject to communist teachings here. Perhaps they can help us,?
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:19 am to RollTide1987
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backed by the United States
This is the problem. Why are we “backing” NATO? We should be used only for emergency ala WW3. NATO should be able to deal with its own problems. Ffs NATO has France, Germany, UK, Norway, Poland. Spain, etc.. If they cared as much as we “care” about Russia (and not the Ukraine money laundering playground), they would have taken steps to become more energy dependent from Russia and built up their own militaries.
Aside from reminding everyone we’re the big dog, we shouldn’t have to be the face of force anytime somebody from NATO gets one of their red lines crossed.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:43 am to aTmTexas Dillo
I don’t want US involved in Russia’s border war. But if Ukraine gets invaded and conquered, other smaller countries won’t give up their nuclear programs in the future out of fear they’ll be next to ger bullied by a powerful neighbor
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 7:43 am
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