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Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:38 pm to lsuoilengr
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And if it's proven the dems have taken bribes from the cartels? We all know they have
LOL only 1 side has corruption eh?
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:38 pm to SCLibertarian
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We look at the cartels as merely drug operations. That's the problem to a degree. They're individual fiefdoms that, much like feudal governments, operate as a quasi-governmental entity within their territorial boundaries. With all of their money, these organizations become legitimized in many areas of Mexico through laundering their money into legitimate or semi-legitimate enterprises, which in turn gives them the support of people who otherwise might despise them. I think Trump is doing the right thing here. If the Mexican cartels are to ever be defeated, Mexico has to do it, and sanctions on our Southern neighbor may be the very fear they need to clean up their country.
Very libertarian response to a black market drug problem that has torn a neighboring country to pieces feeding American demand.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:47 pm to cwill
I don't support invading them or military intervention. My point was that these cartels are Mexico's equivalent of La Cosa Nostra, except the cartels are woven into normalized society there to an even greater degree than the mafia was here prior to RICO and aggressive prosecution.
If you wanted an ideal answer, I believe the United States could damage the cartels immensely by legalizing the very things we criminalize that they engage in, mainly drugs and prostitution. The latter may happen but the former never will imo. So what's the alternative then in the real world? Make the Mexican government deal with the problem.
If you wanted an ideal answer, I believe the United States could damage the cartels immensely by legalizing the very things we criminalize that they engage in, mainly drugs and prostitution. The latter may happen but the former never will imo. So what's the alternative then in the real world? Make the Mexican government deal with the problem.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:48 pm to cwill
I'm leery of using the anti-terrorism powers of the various LE and IC agencies for general law enforcement but it does seem appropriate here. I would be more enthusiastic if I thought it would stop here. It won't.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:52 pm to bamarep
Media: trump never does anything that doesn’t benefit himself in some way
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:53 pm to SCLibertarian
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I don't support invading them or military intervention.
But you support an act of war - sanctions. Those will only negatively impact the regular, mostly poor of Mexico and will create a refugee crisis and turn the border into the mother of all clusterfricks and provide the cartels with more black market opportunities.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:54 pm to SCLibertarian
I don't think they have to go as far as legalization though I do think that would deal the biggest blow. The harsh penalties (even though Trump acts like we don't punish drug dealers) are part of what drives the profits so high. It is still highly questionable at what Mexico could do against them on their own, imo
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:56 pm to mb_
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I don't think they have to go as far as legalization though I do think that would deal the biggest blow
Make them compete with WalMart's low, low prices and excellent customer service.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:58 pm to shinerfan
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Make them compete with WalMart's low, low prices and excellent customer service.
lol return policy ftw
Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:01 pm to cwill
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Those will only negatively impact the regular, mostly poor of Mexico and will create a refugee crisis and turn the border into the mother of all clusterfricks and provide the cartels with more black market opportunities.
I agree with this
Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:08 pm to cwill
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Those will only negatively impact the regular, mostly poor of Mexico and will create a refugee crisis and turn the border into the mother of all clusterfricks and provide the cartels with more black market opportunities.
This is already happening and the Mexican government doesn't give a frick. Look at the violence in Ciudad Juarez, in Sinaloa, in Jalisco and in Tamaulipas. And with the money illegal immigrants send back to Mexico from their American jobs, why does the Mexican government want the flow of people and the crisis to stop? They don't. So if legalizing or even decriminalizing drugs is off the table, what else is the United States supposed to do about this? The Mexican government has to have an incentive to actively tackle these cartels imo.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:21 pm to mb_
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I agree, it will help with undocumented immigrants but as far as asylum seekers, drugs etc it would be a gross waste of resources. It is a multifaceted issue that needs multifaceted solutions, and improved barriers are a part of that...but this notion that 'the wall' is going to magically save the day is a fallacy and one that Trump is continuously pushing for political points/votes
The problem with this line of thinking is it's all too often used as justification for doing nothing at all. "This problem is too complex for a simple wall to work. This requires a complex approach for a solution. I am proposing a task force to study the issue and report back with its findings." Rinse. Repeat.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:38 pm to SCLibertarian
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This is already happening and the Mexican government doesn't give a frick. Look at the violence in Ciudad Juarez, in Sinaloa, in Jalisco and in Tamaulipas. And with the money illegal immigrants send back to Mexico from their American jobs, why does the Mexican government want the flow of people and the crisis to stop? They don't. So if legalizing or even decriminalizing drugs is off the table, what else is the United States supposed to do about this? The Mexican government has to have an incentive to actively tackle these cartels imo.
Soooo, make it worse...for us? The central mexican government has never had control over the country or territory like the US. The idea that sanctions (again, an act of war and would only impact the coffers of the government and po folks) would snap things into focus and they would magically exert control over the country and knock out the cartels is laughable.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 6:07 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Well that is lazy thinking and not what I was suggesting
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:01 pm to bamarep
Time for military action in Mexico. End it once and for all
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:16 pm to bamarep
The Carnage on both sides will be massive.
After this war the northern tier of Mexican states can be annexed.
Read the state Dept warnings on travel to Mexico.
There are cartel controlled areas where no Americans are allowed at night. There are roads that are restricted.
What a mess.
This is like when someone touched the Blob in the movie.
Be sure to ask if there is a state that is end game.
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 3/12/19 at 8:11 pm to deltaland
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Time for military action in Mexico. End it once and for all
As long as it’s on TV.
I love napalm, live in living color.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 9:33 pm to bamarep
The way they operate, terrorism a reality.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 9:42 pm to bamarep
Waiting for Democrats to proclaim cartels as community watch groups. Anything but to agree with Trump.
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