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re: Trump to sign 200+ Executive Orders on Day 1
Posted on 1/19/25 at 9:55 pm to PaperTiger
Posted on 1/19/25 at 9:55 pm to PaperTiger
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Then Congress has to make that change. They hold the strings to the purse. It would be great if we could go back to the actual rules the way they were intended
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Posted on 1/19/25 at 9:57 pm to beaux duke
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what rules did obama change?
He had a pen and phone. He chose to govern via EO. Now you are feigning moral indignation.
The left had grown comfortable breaking rules knowing GOP would usually take the high road.
Trump punched back.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:01 pm to Rebel
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He had a pen and phone. He chose to govern via EO
obama issued 276 eos in 8 years
trump had 220 in 4 with 200+ on deck
who's choosing to govern by eo?
and again, which rules did obama change?
dubya had 291 in his 8 years
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:05 pm to beaux duke
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and again, which rules did obama change?
Gain of function just off the top of my head.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:08 pm to beaux duke
72 also got revoked by Biden on day 1, unconstitutionally by the way as Trump was not allowed to do the same to Obama. So Trump only really had 152. That puts Obama at double the EOs.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:09 pm to beaux duke
W had 9/11 to deal with.
BO chose to circumvent Congress. Goose / Gander
The people knew what Trump would do and overwhelmingly supported him. You just need to accept it and enjoy being governed.
BO chose to circumvent Congress. Goose / Gander
The people knew what Trump would do and overwhelmingly supported him. You just need to accept it and enjoy being governed.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:12 pm to PaperTiger
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Gain of function just off the top of my head.
unlike the resident experts on everything on here, i don't know much on this topic. which rules/laws did obama change on gain of function research? have a hard time believing this research wasn't in place long before barry, but again its not my area of expertice
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:17 pm to PaperTiger
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72 also got revoked by Biden on day 1, unconstitutionally by the way as Trump was not allowed to do the same to Obama. So Trump only really had 152. That puts Obama at double the EOs.
must be the new math
how does biden cancelling trumps eos equate to trump never issuing them? are you subtracting the eos trump reversed from obummers total? hint - you arent
also could you cite the constitutional violations?
this goes to my point - eos should be used as a tool of emergency, when there no time for it to grind through congress. going to eo that the military will start building the wall? an enormous assignment. where's the detailed plan for making this happen?
don loves the cameras and his signature on documents. doing the hard work? not so much
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:24 pm to beaux duke
People will try to argue it down, but Obama had gain of function paused under him with a sunset of 3 years. It quietly came back under Trump and the rest is history.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:24 pm to beaux duke
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trump had 220 in 4 with 200+ on deck
How many of those were Trump reversing Barry's EOs?
How many were minor reworkings of earlier EOs struck down by partisan courts determined to keep the border open?
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:32 pm to shinerfan
i don't know. how many? its your question, i assume you have the answer
trumps still on pace to easily issue 2x3x4 times as many as berry
trumps still on pace to easily issue 2x3x4 times as many as berry
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:36 pm to beaux duke
You're the one that brought up the numbers I was hoping you might have some data that would make them relevant. Reagan issued a lot of EOs too. Mostly naming airports and federal buildings.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:39 pm to shinerfan
i did bring up total numbers. you're the one who asked me
i said i don't know. its your point to make. enlighten me
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How many of those were Trump reversing Barry's EOs?
How many were minor reworkings of earlier EOs struck down by partisan courts determined to keep the border open?
i said i don't know. its your point to make. enlighten me
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:43 pm to beaux duke
DACA for one. Obama signed this into law by EO in 2012, if I am not mistaken. It basically added to the 14th amendment (normally set for 2/3rds of Congress). Trump signed an EO to dismantle DACA and it was shot down by the courts (more specifically SCOTUS). It could have been for other reasons, I dont know, but the perception I had was that one EO couldnt be undone by another.
Im not a law person by any means, and I may be assuming, but that first EO could not be done by another EO. Yet Biden got into office and immediately revoked 72 of Trump's? I mean that is pretty crazy if you think about it. I could be completely wrong about this though.
Im not a law person by any means, and I may be assuming, but that first EO could not be done by another EO. Yet Biden got into office and immediately revoked 72 of Trump's? I mean that is pretty crazy if you think about it. I could be completely wrong about this though.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 10:59 pm to PaperTiger
fair enough. don't know much on that topic either
on a quick search i couldn't find a number on how many obama eos trump rolled back first term. i think its fair to say more than a few. 50? 75?
and let's not forget trumps direct criticism of executive orders. i guess that was diffeRent, just like tik tok
https://apnews.com/united-states-government-25ca8d3b39024f9e828df7ebeb718274
on a quick search i couldn't find a number on how many obama eos trump rolled back first term. i think its fair to say more than a few. 50? 75?
and let's not forget trumps direct criticism of executive orders. i guess that was diffeRent, just like tik tok
https://apnews.com/united-states-government-25ca8d3b39024f9e828df7ebeb718274
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Back in 2012, Trump had tweeted: “Why Is @BarackObama constantly issuing executive orders that are major power grabs of authority?”
That criticism continued once he entered the presidential race.
“The country wasn’t based on executive orders,” Trump said at a South Carolina campaign stop in February 2016. “Right now, Obama goes around signing executive orders. He can’t even get along with the Democrats, and he goes around signing all these executive orders. It’s a basic disaster. You can’t do it.”
Posted on 1/19/25 at 11:10 pm to beaux duke
Well the problem is that everyone thinks every EO is a huge deal (not saying you). It would be interesting to know how many were small items. For example, one EO signed could have been revising a previous minor detail on an existing EO.
I dont know all of Obama"s, and not saying he didn't do this, but things like Trump signing an EO to close down govt offices for Christmas Eve aren't really a big deal to me. How many would Trump have signed if not for COVID?
Would be interesting to see the extent of each's EOs.
I dont know all of Obama"s, and not saying he didn't do this, but things like Trump signing an EO to close down govt offices for Christmas Eve aren't really a big deal to me. How many would Trump have signed if not for COVID?
Would be interesting to see the extent of each's EOs.
Posted on 1/19/25 at 11:17 pm to PaperTiger
agree. im sure its out there but its getting late
like shiner fan said, im sure plenty are renaming airports or the like
appreciate the civil discourse, hitting the hay
like shiner fan said, im sure plenty are renaming airports or the like
appreciate the civil discourse, hitting the hay
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 6:19 am to beaux duke
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agree with bucky and paper tiger
my issue with trump is he - imo - loves signing off on things but has little interest in doing the work to make these eos happen. where's any information about these hundreds of sweeping changes he's planning to sign off on? let's say he eliminates the dept of education. ok, sure. now what?
Are you being facetious, or are you really this ignorant?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 6:26 am to PaperTiger
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Then Congress has to make that change. They hold the strings to the purse. It would be great if we could go back to the actual rules the way they were intended
This is a mantra that I too believed for decades, but its not true. They approve the budget, but they cant spend it.........the Office of Management and Budget cuts the checks......or doesnt cut the checks.
Remember the name Russ Vought, he is about to be legendary. When Elon talks about cuts he always says "working with OMB" thats Russ.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 6:28 am to Rebel
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He had a pen and phone. He chose to govern via EO. Now you are feigning moral indignation.
He also used a lot of NGOs. If he wanted to stop drilling, or water rights, or DEI, he simply took one of the NGOs that is funded by the govt, they sued the govt agency.......and the agency said "oops we lost oh well we have to comply".
That is why Trump is going after NGOs, there are 1.5 million of them in the US. Absurd abuse.
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