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re: Trump to declare opioid crisis a national emergency
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:11 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:11 pm to northshorebamaman
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Hence the "FWIW" before my comment.
no, I get it. I have some friends who function way better on weed and can't do shite with out it. But it just gets aggravating arguing with people who because they don't get or see any benefits of pain pills are so full blown against them for everybody else.
Now it seems there is a full blown campaign against them when the target should be heroin and fentanyl (actually IMO people should be able to take heroin if they choose to especially if they are over 80 just to give people something to look forward to in life and a reward if they make it that far)
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:12 pm to boxcar willie
quote:Now maybe you're using the pain pills for the high, or you're smoking weed to help with pain, but if you're doing one drug for the high and one for more medicinal purposes, then I would expect the medicinal usage to have less of an impact on Central Nervous System (specifically cognitive, emotional, etc.) functioning. That is, unless it's to treat such severe pain that the dosage is high enough to have a more significant impact on the CNS functioning.
I'm way more clear headed on pain pills and can't function at all on weed.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:16 pm to buckeye_vol
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But I doubt most really are that knowledgeable. I bet many can't differentiate various downers classes, like benzos and opiates, from one another beyond exteme need (for pain) or the illicit drugs.
patients don't have to be knowledgeable about every drug, just the ones they are being prescribed and if they are addictive they should be told that and the pros and cons should be weighed out by the patient with the help of the doctor.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:18 pm to boxcar willie
quote:These types of drugs are where the debate should be happening regarding legality and criminalization, etc. I mean there is decades of empirical studies about the objectively concerning aspects of drugs (lethality, dependency, etc.). Yet, two drugs on the complete opposite sides of both of those spectrum (marijuana, heroin) are not only both illegal, but both given the same level of drug classification, then we have the prime example of government's disregard for logic and evidence.
actually IMO people should be able to take heroin if they choose to especially if they are over 80 just to give people something to look forward to in life and a reward if they make it that far
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:20 pm to buckeye_vol
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Now maybe you're using the pain pills for the high, or you're smoking weed to help with pain, but if you're doing one drug for the high and one for more medicinal purposes, then I would expect the medicinal usage to have less of an impact on Central Nervous System (specifically cognitive, emotional, etc.) functioning.
not for me. I have no tolerance for weed. One hit and I'm stoned. Can't stand the stuff dispite how often people tell me this weed is different, it gives you a body high and is relaxing.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I hope the Us gets back in the business of crop dusting Poppy and Coca fields in war torn countries because I want that job.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:22 pm to texashorn
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Washington and Colorado? Not a very... diverse sampling.
It's been legalized in more than 2 states, even though not fully implemented.
And Denver and Aurora have a huge Mexican population. It's probably 1/3 of the city.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:22 pm to SmackoverHawg
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You don't think the average person knows opiates can be addictive? In this day and age? MAYBE 20 years ago.
Yeah, but they could still possibly underestimate the dosage or their body could react to it differently than expected. I have a cousin who got in a major car accident and was prescribed opioids. Went to rehab 6 months later and wasn't the type of guy who did that kind of shite in college.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:24 pm to boxcar willie
quote:Agreed. And I'm going to guess that this not only happens the vast majority of the time, which includes the majority of people who don't get addicted, but I bet it happens in the instances when they do too. At the same time, they are prescribed for pain. And when it's just something like wisdom teeth being pulled, the pain is usually not severe enough to impact reasoning, nor is the dosage that high anyways.
patients don't have to be knowledgeable about every drug, just the ones they are being prescribed and if they are addictive they should be told that and the pros and cons should be weighed out by the patient with the help of the doctor.
But when it is more severe pain, the functioning of that alone can impact decision-making, and even cautious and appropriate dosing may also be high enough to impact reasoning and increase risk of dependency. In fact, the cautiousness of the dosage may increase the risk because the pain is still too severe that people, against direction, take more than they should.
I think that's what happened to Brett Favre, especially since alcohol was added to it.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
If we declare it a crisis, it's sure to expand.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:34 pm to SmackoverHawg
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You don't think the average person knows opiates can be addictive? In this day and age? MAYBE 20 years ago.
People know. But many underestimate how addictive they are.
Plus, addiction is different for different people. I've known people that quit smoking cigarettes easily. While other people smoke through a hole in their throat.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:50 pm to CCTider
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Because drug use should not be treated as a criminal problem, but a public health problem.
Jeff Sessions says hello
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:08 pm to CCTider
quote:Yeah. There are many factors, some situational, and some biological/genetic, that contribute to addiction.
Plus, addiction is different for different people. I've known people that quit smoking cigarettes easily. While other people smoke through a hole in their throat.
I can't remember the exact details, but in Malcom Gladwell's The Tipping Point (I think that's the book), he discusses evidence that some people can become addicted almost instantaneously. I think there are people who have traits that make them at risk for becoming addicted to a slew of things, not necessarily a certain drug. It may be gambling or sex or whatever. They take everything to the extreme.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:16 pm to buckeye_vol
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but I don't think you're going to see much difference beyond that in the usage.
Except for the influx of bums, the increase in crime, the open usage that emboldens people to flaunt and taunt law enforcement.
Not only that, areas would be awash in weed. How do you think people who can't pay for their drugs, get money to do so? They steal something or they engage in prostitution.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:25 pm to BamaCoaster
quote:needed something to take the place of asswhoopings
Americans consume 90% of the world's Ritalin and ADD medicine
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:While he pours more money and troops into the largest opium producer on the planet. MAGA bitches!
President Donald Trump threw the weight of the White House behind the fight against the opioid crisis Thursday and declared it a national emergency.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:36 pm to TX Tiger
One possible scandal in all this...a few months ago the Feds went after more than 300 pain management doctors in the South alone. They moved in froze bank accounts seized assets and generally grabbed everything they could BEFORE anyone was found guilty of anything.
No telling how much they took in money and property. I would LOVE to know where that money is now, who did it go to.
No telling how much they took in money and property. I would LOVE to know where that money is now, who did it go to.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:39 pm to texashorn
quote:Why would any, and especially all, of these occur when California has already been so lax criminally and the medical marijuana has been so easily available for over a decade.
Except for the influx of bums, the increase in crime, the open usage that emboldens people to flaunt and taunt law enforcement.
This is from data 5 years ago, so it's likely increased since then.
Prevalence of medical marijuana use in California, 2012.
quote:Not only that, but we have evidence from other states, and other countries, that your Reefer Madness arguments haven't come to fruition. Yet, in a state with already pretty easy legal access, and little enforcement anyways, you expect it to be different?
Five percent of adults in California reported ever using medical marijuana, and most users believed that medical marijuana helped alleviate symptoms or treat a serious medical condition. Prevalence was similar when compared by gender, education and region. Prevalence of ever using medical marijuana was highest among white adults and younger adults ages 18-24 years, although use was reported by every racial/ethnic and age group examined in our study and ranged from 2% to 9%.
quote:Now there is going to be some significant portion of the population who is going to start stealing and/or become prostitutes to get LEGAL marijuana?
Not only that, areas would be awash in weed. How do you think people who can't pay for their drugs, get money to do so? They steal something or they engage in prostitution.
Why didn't they do this before, when it was pretty easy to get anyways? And why didn't they do this before since a more harmful and more addictive drug like alcohol has been legal?
We aren't talking about crack or heroin here.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:42 pm to buckeye_vol
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Now there is going to be some significant portion of the population who is going to start stealing and/or become prostitutes to get LEGAL marijuana? Why didn't they do this before, when it was pretty easy to get anyways? And why didn't they do this before since a more harmful and more addictive drug like alcohol has been legal? We aren't talking about crack or heroin here.
Are you kidding? How dumb. What about the black guy killed in New York for selling loose cigarettes.
Man was willing to die over nicotine, a legal substance.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:01 am to texashorn
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Are you kidding? How dumb. What about the black guy killed in New York for selling loose cigarettes.
Man was willing to die over nicotine, a legal substance.
One guy was accidentally killed from what was essentially a freak accident during his arrest. But because use happened to he selling cigarette, even though it could have been any number of products, this is evidence that there is going to be rampant crime on the other side of the country because marijuana was legalized? DawgfaninCa made a more compelling argument for the existence of some sea monster in San Francisco than you just made here.
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