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re: Trump to declare opioid crisis a national emergency
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:30 pm to CCTider
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:30 pm to CCTider
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I'm very glad that I can say I'm thrilled about something he did that's great for America
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drug use should not be treated as a criminal problem, but a public health problem.
I don't have a lot of confidence that they are going to go about it the right way. I expect to see doctors even less likely to treat patients who benefit from opiates. At the same time they are legalizing weed state by state. America is going to become the great stoner nation. The movie Idiocracy for real
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:34 pm to boxcar willie
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OK, whats the problem with that?
Because it's not the appropriate treatment and it ruins their lives even further. These people (i.e. 99.9% of the population) have no idea what these pills do or how to actually take them. It's like blaming home owners for a shitty contractor that screwed the them over.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:34 pm to boxcar willie
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I don't have a lot of confidence that they are going to go about it the right way. I expect to see doctors even less likely to treat patients who benefit from opiates. At the same time they are legalizing weed state by state. America is going to become the great stoner nation. The movie Idiocracy for real
You do realize the states that are legalizing weed, have some of the strongest economies in the country. If you still believe the Cheech and Chong stereotypes, then Idiocracy is already here
And being in a supervisory role in the construction industry, weed isn't the problem. It's pills and meth. Not only are they more harmful physically and psychologically, but they leave your system very quickly.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:34 pm to Bmath
quote:Maybe I'm a decade behind, but prescription polls aside, I never took opoids, like heroin, to be an upper class drug.
Arrests of rich white high school kids about to skyrocket.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:36 pm to CCTider
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You do realize the states that are legalizing weed, have some of the strongest economies in the country.
Washington and Colorado? Not a very... diverse sampling.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:36 pm to boxcar willie
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exactly, why not just legalize weed while we're at it (sarcasm). Seriously it seems where we are heading.
Yeah, it's great isn't it?
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We put heat on doctors for prescribing hydrocone, which is a great benefit to many patients, especially the elderly, while legalizing weed in some states. It's just getting absurd. Great we'll have a country of a bunch of stoners. What a country.
Hey the 1950s just called and they wanted me to tell you that they're never coming back.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:37 pm to CCTider
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Probably because you don't need opiates,
Not always but I have a few medical issues and there are times I could benefit from real pain relief. It's just irritating that people are now having difficulty getting temporary pain meds (like a single 10 count script) for legitimate reasons because a minority of people have abused them. And for the record my irritation is with the abusers more so than Dr's.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:39 pm to texashorn
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Washington and Colorado? Not a very... diverse sampling.
And CA, AK, OR, NV, and I think a state in the northeast.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:41 pm to OMLandshark
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These people (i.e. 99.9% of the population) have no idea what these pills do or how to actually take them. It's
horseshite.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:44 pm to olddawg26
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They're too easily prescribed, and too easy to get addicted to. Walking around with heroin in your pocket....legally
Prescription painkillers are nowhere close to heroin. Claiming they are is just absurd & shows ignorance of the situation.
I think there are more doctors that are hesitant to prescribe painkillers at all than there are those that overprescribe. I've had multiple family members that had to rely on tramadol for pain after having surgery. They were given enough opiates for 1-2 weeks & then they just had to suffer through the pain in the following months.
Also, who doesn't realize opiates are addictive? We've been taught that since grade school. People need to take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming their doctor. Everyone should be looking up every medicine they are prescribed before taking it.
I do not understand why so many people think it is their business what other people do with their own body. It's ok for someone to chop their dick off, but heaven forbid if they want to take something to feel good. What other people do to themselves does not affect you.
If we have anything in this world, it should be control over our own bodies.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:45 pm to northshorebamaman
Those states are heavily white.
California is just getting started, too early.
Legalize weed in Louisiana and watch out...
California is just getting started, too early.
Legalize weed in Louisiana and watch out...
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:46 pm to SmackoverHawg
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horseshite
I really only think doctors, pharmacists, and some nurses are the only ones that do know proper dosage and how to handle medication as a whole. They're the experts, you're not. If my doctor tells me to do something, then I'm going to typically take his word for it. He went to med school and I didn't. I don't know shite dosage of almost any medication, and likely you don't either.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:48 pm to texashorn
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Those states are heavily white.
California is just getting started, too early.
Legalize weed in Louisiana and watch out...
I didn't present an argument. I just pointed out the states you missed.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:48 pm to OMLandshark
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Hey the 1950s just called and they wanted me to tell you that they're never coming back.
so elderly people in pain should just get stoned to take care of their pains. Great. Not everyone likes being stoned. If you're in pain or just not feeling up to it and you have to cut the grass, or play with the grand kids or go to a football game, or go to work, or go fishing, a lot of people would rather do that not stoned or high on the weed but would rather feel energetic, clear minded and pain free relaxed on a couple pain pills, hopefully prescribed legally by a doctor who isn't being harassed by the DEA. They would like to enjoy their elder years unencumbered by a stoned head.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:51 pm to boxcar willie
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would rather feel energetic, clear minded and pain free relaxed on a couple pain pills, hopefully prescribed legally by a doctor who isn't being harassed by the DEA. They would like to enjoy their elder years unencumbered by a stoned head.
FWIW, I'm far more clear headed after a bowl than I am on percocet.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:52 pm to OMLandshark
You don't think the average person knows opiates can be addictive? In this day and age? MAYBE 20 years ago.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:56 pm to northshorebamaman
[quote]FWIW, I'm far more clear headed after a bowl than I am on percocet. [/quote
Well that's you. Not everyone is the same. I don't enjoy being stoned. Nor do a lot of other people. I'm way more clear headed on pain pills and can't function at all on weed.
Well that's you. Not everyone is the same. I don't enjoy being stoned. Nor do a lot of other people. I'm way more clear headed on pain pills and can't function at all on weed.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:57 pm to texashorn
quote:I mean I'm not sure exactly what you're arguing, but California has been slowly decriminalizing it for for decades, and they have had medical marijuana going back 20 years and almost 15 years since the latest law passed.
California is just getting started, too early.
Legalize weed in Louisiana and watch out...
So while I'm sure legalization will have an impact, especially economically with more people who refrained until completely legal, plus people from out of state taking advantage, but I don't think you're going to see much difference beyond that in the usage.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:58 pm to boxcar willie
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Well that's you. Not everyone is the same.
Hence the "FWIW" before my comment.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:09 pm to SmackoverHawg
quote:I don't think a lot of people know much about drug classes, the effects of the drugs on the classes, and/or which drugs fall into a respective class.
You don't think the average person knows opiates can be addictive?
I mean they may know that the most illicit drugs are addictive, and that may be only because they are illegal. They may also know a little about the most common prescription drugs (Xanax, Adderall, Vicodin).
But I doubt most really are that knowledgeable. I bet many can't differentiate various downers classes, like benzos and opiates, from one another beyond exteme need (for pain) or the illicit drugs.
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