re: Trump should demand a vote on term limits ...

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And in my world that's exactly why they should be term limited. If they're doing nothing then force them out. Voting is not enforcement, just an option that involves the ignorance of voters. We have term limits here in Ark. for state politicians and it's working just fine imo. It would work on a national level also if politicians weren't scared shitless of losing their power and having to revert to living in the real world like the rest of us.

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I think that's exactly my point. Term-limiting elected officials is a control put into place that essentially tells the people that we think that, collectively, they're incapable of ridding themselves of bad leaders. It's essentially a limitation on their electoral options based upon an assessment that they can't be trusted to exercise them freely.

My specific point is that I think such a restriction on our vote (term-limits) is justified to prevent some popular president from going the African/South American route and essentially staying in power long enough to appoint enough judges and get enough of his people into the federal departments to ensure that all institutions are tooled to keep him in power--through years of cronyism and patronage, largely rigged elections, and, eventually, by naked force.

Such a restriction is not justified just to keep a bunch of worthless, feckless Congressmen from spending all their time spinning bullshite and wasting time.

And BTW, I predicted he would be elected President before he won the primary. Some said that even if he was elected, he would have to deal with the obstruction entrenched establishment Republicans. My answer to that was yes he would. I predicted that he would have to expose and call them out to their constituents well before the mid term election of 18. Looking more and more like that is his only option.

I don't know if you're old enough to really remember Gingrich and his Contract with America in 1994. There were ten points that were promised to be voted on in the first 100 days if the the electorate gave Republicans the House. I can't remember how many were actually passed but nine were voted on. If Gingrich, Armey, and Kasich were unable to get a vote on term limits at the height of their power there's no way Trump can get it done with his "frenemies" relationship with the GOP.

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On the surface, yes. The problem is these bozos spend their whole term trying to get re-elected to another term, and they're easily bought.

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It is a huge problem but the bigger problem is that most people like their folks in washington it is other people's folks in washington that they don't like...it would be great if I could limit YOUR choices but in our country when I limit yours I must also limit mine...and that is where the hangup is...

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Term limits will never happen...though it would be beneficial to our country.

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Debatable. I am not sure that having the maximum experience level in any job the world over being set at eight years would improve performance. The only benefit is that folks in their last two years would be able to vote without worrying about being re-elected. But to be honest, gerrymandering has made it so a large portion of Congress never has to worry anyway.

He'll never be Dictator, as much as you long for it.

I'm against term limits because they are undemocratic.

BUT ... if we gotta have them, I'm all for them first being imposed on a majority Republican Congress!!!!