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re: Trump says maybe the US needs to cut ALL subsidies to General Motors
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:13 am to moneyg
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:13 am to moneyg
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You think Trump and his policies are anti-manufacturing and anti-labor?
A lot of Trump’s policies are things Bernie and the Dems used to want. Bernie has pushed for tariffs for years. He’s wanted manufacturing to come back to the US for years. But he just doesn’t want Trump to do it.
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:16 am to 90proofprofessional
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lol, just lol @ calling people idiots unironically, immediately after making claims that are easily shown to be objectively wrong
You have been wrong about everything and have made a fool of yourself many times
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:20 am to SDVTiger
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You have been wrong about everything and have made a fool of yourself many times
lol, just lol at this weak shite
you are like the buzzing of a fly to me
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:21 am to VoxDawg
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Can anyone please explain why a corporation that's publicly funded get government subsidies?
GM = Government Motors.
I was never in favor of them getting subsidies. GM was never too big to fail. And we have no reason to continue those subsidies.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:29 am to cahoots
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You seem to fundamentally misunderstand this whole thing. Companies aren't going to dump money into non-profitable products just because they save money elsewhere from tax cuts.
The problems with GM are the unions.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:36 am to Colonel Flagg
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The problems with GM are the unions.
Yes and no. Sure, unions can definitely make things harder. However, you need to read up on the history of the NUMMI plant to really understand why GM was behind the times and only more recently caught up. Toyota came to the US in the mid 80s and essentially taught GM how to do lean manufacturing correctly. And Toyota sold cars made by US union workers in a jointly owned plant.
So the question becomes - if unions are insurmountable, how did Toyota manage them so effectively?
GM was a poorly run operation. It wasn't the unions. It was them.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 9:38 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:38 am to Colonel Flagg
Taxpayer lost 11 billion in the GM bailout. Enough is enough
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:42 am to cahoots
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So the question becomes - if unions are insurmountable, how did Toyota manage them so effectively?
Well, I'm not arguing your overall point, but had the Japs not foreseen a profitable advantage they could exploit they wouldn't have come in the first place. GM and the Japs were not on equal footing in that scenario at all, and the impacts of unions on GM had been dragging for many years.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:35 am to MrCarton
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Well, I'm not arguing your overall point, but had the Japs not foreseen a profitable advantage they could exploit they wouldn't have come in the first place. GM and the Japs were not on equal footing in that scenario at all, and the impacts of unions on GM had been dragging for many years.
I'm not arguing that unions don't affect costs. It's just that when you look at what was going on, GM clearly was behind the times.
Consider Toyota's 80s pickups. They were built in Japan (it's not like Japan has cheap labor), shipped to the US, AND subject to the 25% chicken tax. And they still overtook GM in that small truck segment.
Production methods were the #1 difference between the companies.
The unions didn't stop GM from embracing lean manufacturing.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 10:37 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:39 am to cahoots
quote:right, I'm actually arguing that unions impact how work gets done, and they certainly have an interest in preserving less efficacious methodologies because and their root they want more workers to be in their unions.
m not arguing that unions don't affect costs.
Again, you could be right, but it's worth noting GM spent decades under that kind of pressure where Japan likely didnt.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:43 am to cahoots
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The unions didn't stop GM from embracing lean manufacturing.
Unions in Japan have a much different relationship with management than American
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:53 am to bamarep
get your sick little mind out of the gutter and show all the jobs he has brought to mi. and ohio. can't do it.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 11:04 am to 56lsu
Michigan job growth
Ohio job growth
Eat a dick boot licker.
Trump is running circles around that pale power you fricking worship.
He's a fraud. Deal with it.
Ohio job growth
Eat a dick boot licker.
Trump is running circles around that pale power you fricking worship.
He's a fraud. Deal with it.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 11:06 am to Ebbandflow
quote:I work in an industry that needs steel. We haven't had layoffs. I haven't heard of a single layoff. So, you're wrong. I love dummies who think they're smart.
how many jobs have been lost in any American industry that needs steel except for the people that make it?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:16 pm to bamarep
once again where are the auto jobs he told the people in mich and ohio that were coming back, gutter rat.
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