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Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:44 pm to Mephistopheles
We all saw those damn photos with that russian fat cat and trump smiling ear to ear. My first reaction was wtf is going on here? We shouldnt be so buddy buddy with the russians. they would love to take us out.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:44 pm to CptBengal
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Good God.
Up is down!
I read on here that McMaster said the whole thing is a lie. Except that it's not, it's clear from this that Trump discussed intel with the Russians.
So yes, up is down, Trump is just playing us all for fools, amazing 3D chess, just amazing, so beautiful to behold how he constantly fools us into thinking he's a blathering fool with the panache of pubic louse and the grace of a rotting cockroach.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:44 pm to Foy
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Like Trump said about Hillary's emails: Who cares how we get the information? Don't you care about the information itself?
Uh nobody cared about what was in Hillary's emails at all until she chose to put them on a server and that was clearly against the law and not for her own discretion to ignore as she was not POTUS and she then chose to delete them when shite hit the fan and it was over for her after that.
The cover up is worse than the crime.
You can make an argument for leaking to serve notice to the public that their constitutional rights are being violated or a public official is clearly committing a crime that is no shite not even debatable but leaking for political gain to undermine your political opponents is illegal and will always be so.
Leaking is a gray area issue and will always be but what's clear is that it has to serve a noble purpose that is as free of personal and political gain for the leaker as it possibly can get.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:44 pm to Sun God
This shite is laughable.
The lib inabiity to be embarrassed really is an interesting trait.
The lib inabiity to be embarrassed really is an interesting trait.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:44 pm to SDVTiger
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Yup lots of wigglin going on
Yall are so pathetic
If that quote is 100% accurate, it unequivocally does provide wiggle room.
In a hypothetical scenario where there was a recording that then got released to the public, you have enough cover in that phrase that if even a minor detail is different, but overall the story is largely true, you can argue that phrase supports that assertion. You could even play the classic Karl Rove argument of "I do not recall, or to my recollection things were slightly different."
The presence of a wiggle room denial doesn't confirm anything though, it just confirms the statement has wiggle room and we can speculate as to why.
One completely plausible scenario is that McMaster is largely considered to be a studious worker, so he didn't want to make a definitive statement without wiggle room because then you are in a different situation. One where any truth, even inconsequential, to the story could become a problem. Since claiming the entire story is false implies all aspects are false. Which creates its own set of problems.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:45 pm to Sun God
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You're all in on one side. That's fine.
Do I need to list the disasters that have happened in just the last 116 days?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:46 pm to Sentrius
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You can make an argument for leaking to serve notice to the public that their constitutional rights are being violated or a public official is clearly committing a crime that is no shite not even debatable but leaking for political gain to undermine your political opponents is illegal and will always be so. Leaking is a gray area issue and will always be but what's clear is that it has to serve a noble purpose that is as free of personal and political gain for the leaker as it possibly can get.
Well said.Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:46 pm to bonhoeffer45
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One completely plausible scenario is that McMaster is largely considered to be a studious worker, so he didn't want to make a definitive statement without wiggle room because then you are in a different situation. One where any truth, even inconsequential, to the story could become a problem. Since claiming the entire story is false implies all aspects are false. Which creates its own set of problems.
Right.
And he turned and walked out the door without answering any questions...so...
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:46 pm to bonhoeffer45
Nope. Trump done fricked up now. He's going to jail.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:46 pm to Foy
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Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:46 pm to Foy
quote:Unknown details given to the WaPo by unknown sources?
It was during that meeting, officials said, that Trump went off script and began describing details of an Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.
Look, I dislike Trump, but, holy shite, can y'all quit freaking out over every unsubstantiated claim by reporters?
This is something like the 30th "Going to End Trump's Presidency" article in the past month.
I'm sorry, but I do not trust information that isn't verified, given completely in detail, and reported by an anonymous person.
There is no proof that this info isn't fabricated. There is no proof that this discussion even happened.
I need more information than what is offered in the WaPo article.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:47 pm to Sun God
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If he would've straight said "FALSE" you would just accuse him of lying
It's because he didn't do that I suspect he's telling the truth, or a favorable version of it.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:48 pm to Scruffy
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I need more information than what is offered in the WaPo article.
Give Buzzfeed a couple of days.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:48 pm to a want
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And he turned and walked out the door without answering any questions...so...
Omg.
Seriously?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:48 pm to Scruffy
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This is something like the 30th "Going to End Trump's Presidency" article in the past month.
I never said that and the article doesn't claim to be that either.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:48 pm to a want
Do I need to bring up the countless topics you've started that proved to be at best pointless and at worst flat-out incorrect?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:49 pm to Mephistopheles
quote:It is clear from what? There is no detail in the article...at all.
it's clear from this that Trump discussed intel with the Russians.
It gives no info beyond, "Trump leaked unknown top secret info to the Russians".
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:49 pm to hawkeye007
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or the fact that he shared classified information with russian spies
Is it a fact?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:49 pm to a want
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Right.
And he turned and walked out the door without answering any questions...so...
I'm largely on your side when pushed, if I have to speculate, I think there is truth to this story. That McMaster probably knows that and that is probably the underlying reason for that wiggle room denial and the chaos that seems to be ensuing around Trump's circle.
I am just pointing out the extremes in either direction that could still justify why he chose that particular language. Guilty or innocent he would be wise to allow wiggle room in his statement.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 6:50 pm
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