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re: Trump Poised To Try To Remove Noncitizens From Census

Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:45 pm to
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:45 pm to
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excluding Indians not taxed.


SFP... why did they exclude Indians who were not taxed?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:59 pm to
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SO - in my far-out hypothetical, you are perfectly at ease with Democrats a century from now teleporting a million people from state to state just ahead of the census taker arrival and therefore give the Democrats 50 million excess population to enhance their congressional power.


Do you want to let the DEMs have the power to overrule the 2A with an EO when they win the Presidency next time?
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:00 pm to
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quote:
excluding Indians not taxed.


SFP... why did they exclude Indians who were not taxed?


look up Indian sovereignty laws
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:01 pm to
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SFP... why did they exclude Indians who were not taxed?


IIRC, it was a delineation of citizenship/status. That means they were living on a reservation within a state.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:03 pm to
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IIRC, it was a delineation of citizenship/status. That means they were living on a reservation within a state.


Yep... which is why non citizens need to be removed from appropriations.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:04 pm to
The Dems will fight this.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:06 pm to
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which is why non citizens need to be removed from appropriations.

If this is true, why did they only address one group of non-citizens?
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:31 pm to
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If this is true, why did they only address one group of non-citizens?


I'd reckon because that was the pressing matter in the moment. Now... we have the same matter but different flavor.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:37 pm to
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I'd reckon because that was the pressing matter in the moment.



Why would you deduce universal applicability when the language was decisively specific to one group?

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Now... we have the same matter but different flavor.

That's why there is an amendment process.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:40 pm to
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Why would you deduce universal applicability when the language was decisively specific to one group?


Because I believe it IS applicable and I'm not alone in this.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:41 pm to
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Because I believe it IS applicable

Based on what language of the Constitution?
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:44 pm to
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Based on what language of the Constitution?


You said this...
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IIRC, it was a delineation of citizenship/status. That means they were living on a reservation within a state.


I'm just agreeing with you!
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:45 pm to
Good.

Election security should be one of the most important issues before 2026, including states not getting bloated representation.

This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 1:47 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:47 pm to
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I'm just agreeing with you!

You're agreeing with me only for Indians on the res, though.

My question was this

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Why would you deduce universal applicability when the language was decisively specific to one group?


Key word: universal

What language denotes universal application of your belief?

The Indian language does the opposite.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 1:51 pm to
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You're agreeing with me only for Indians on the res, though.


Wrong.

Reservation Feathers may have been the language outcome, but even you acknowledged the driving purpose.

The driving purpose is the same now.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:08 pm to
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Reservation Feathers may have been the language outcome, but even you acknowledged the driving purpose.

Purpose only for Indians.

And the "language outcome" is imperative with a written Constitution.

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The driving purpose is the same now.

Possibly, but you need textual support in the document itself.

You only have textual support for Indians on the res.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:08 pm to
We're indians counted not on a rez?
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:10 pm to
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You only have textual support for Indians on the res.


You forgot untaxed.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:12 pm to
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We're indians counted not on a rez?

They were not, because they were the one group specifically excluded.

That implies there are no other exclusions.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:12 pm to
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You forgot untaxed.

Sure. The larger point remains.
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