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Trump pledges to end birthright citizenship, day one.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:58 am
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:00 am to GumboPot
he pledged to build a wall as well. at some point, you have to be effective at more than big rallies.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:01 am to GumboPot
So he’s admitting he could have accomplished that in his first term and failed to do it.
This isn’t 2015 Trump anymore. This is a politician just like the rest.
This isn’t 2015 Trump anymore. This is a politician just like the rest.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:02 am to OccamsStubble
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pledged to build a wall as well. at some point, you have to be effective at more than big rallies.
Yep, Trump is big with plans, small with delivery.
It is simple to throw ideas out.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:02 am to Jon Ham
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Jon Ham
Your shtick is so tired and transparent at this point...
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:03 am to Jon Ham
Divide divide divide
Sad bunch
Sad bunch
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:03 am to GumboPot
This is the shite that drives me nuts.
Why didn't he do this in 2016-2018 while the Republicans had complete control of all branches?
What a joke.
Why didn't he do this in 2016-2018 while the Republicans had complete control of all branches?
What a joke.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:04 am to OccamsStubble
This should've been ended long ago...if I'm not mistaken, the 14th amendment was brought on to facilitate the slaves after the civil war.
It was a good thing back then, but I think it is hurting us more now than ever.
Let's stop the anchor baby bullshite!
It was a good thing back then, but I think it is hurting us more now than ever.
Let's stop the anchor baby bullshite!
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:04 am to VoxDawg
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Your shtick is so tired and transparent at this point...
The shtick of pointing out that Trump neglected to do this at any point in his 4 years of being president?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:06 am to VoxDawg
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Your shtick is so tired and transparent at this point...
Reality bores you, I understand. Go find another online LARP to entertain yourself.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:06 am to GumboPot
Old man Donald Diaper had his chance and blew it
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:08 am to aubie101
quote:thats not the case at all.
Yep, Trump is big with plans, small with delivery.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:09 am to GumboPot
I don't see how an EO would do anything given the 14th Amendment and a variety of Supreme Court decisions.
I think we need a Constitutional Convention.
I think we need a Constitutional Convention.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:15 am to Fun Bunch
Also, I know people will reference "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof", but I don't think that is an EO type of issue, it is up to the Supreme Court to determine what that means. They pretty much have...but they could change their mind.
What an EO like this could do, especially if worded specifically to this narrow language, would be to force a challenge through the courts that makes its way to the Supremes
What an EO like this could do, especially if worded specifically to this narrow language, would be to force a challenge through the courts that makes its way to the Supremes
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:16 am to Fun Bunch
I believe there was a footnote in a Supreme Court decision that has been used to justify birthright citizenship, not a Supreme Court case directly ruling on the issue. IF trump did this, the court would take up the issue.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:18 am to Jon Ham
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This isn’t 2015 Trump anymore. This is a politician just like the rest.
Hopefully this will get Ron to make the same pledge.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:19 am to jb4
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I believe there was a footnote in a Supreme Court decision that has been used to justify birthright citizenship
Unless you count the 14th Amendment as a footnote:
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
There have been a bunch of cases that have always, universally supported Birthright Citizenship (US v Wong being one that I recall)
Its that "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" that gets people arguing.
An explicit EO targeting that phrase only I guess could get it moving through the Courts to the SpCrt.
The courts have been clear so far that they support the 14th Amendment as giving birthright citizenship to legals and illegals
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:20 am to GumboPot
Isn’t that granted in the Constitution?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:20 am to Bottom9
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Why didn't he do this in 2016-2018 while the Republicans had complete control of all branches?
It's a valid question. My answer is he was probably advised not to.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:21 am to FriscoTiger1973
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Isn’t that granted in the Constitution?
So much from Trump fans saying they’re constitutionalists.
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