re: Trump met with enlisted troops only on Afghanistan

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Everyone in the Navy believes it.

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No, they don't.

Were/are you Navy?

I know a lot of Cheifs and officers who would be disappointed in your misrepresentation, including my COO.

I was in the Navy for a loooong time.

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I know a lot of Cheifs and officers who would be disappointed in your misrepresentation

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bullshite.

Nothing I have said is even controversial. It is just what is.

I had one conversation with my Div O in 4 years on one ship.

You think he had a firm grasp on his people?

You can catch a Captain's mast if you get too friendly with an Officer.

We ate dinner at my Chief's pad every time we pulled back into homeport, on that same ship

I don't know a single sailor who has much of a different experience.

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bullshite.

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Ok, I'll tell him some dude on the Internet who did a "loooong time" knows more than him.

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It is often said, "Chiefs don't run the Navy, they make the Navy run."

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You should've spent more time in the Navy.

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Chiefs don't run the Navy, they make the Navy run.

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Sure, I have no problem with it that way.

Either way serves my purpose in this conversation.

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You should've spent more time in the Navy.

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Why?

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Ok, I'll tell him some dude on the Internet who did a "loooong time" knows more than him.

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Do as you will.

Nobody that has ever served in the Navy would disagree with anything I have said in this thread.

Not one.

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Not really.

One, the correct one, directly supports what I've said.

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Neither supports what you said.

But just to play your game:

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Chiefs Run the Navy, CNO Tells Senior Enlisted Academy

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Chiefs have been respected as the backbone and anchor of the Navy for more than a century. It is widely and fondly known among retirees and other civilians whom I have encountered, that “Chiefs run the Navy”. I accept the praise with humility and generally reply that it “is all in a day’s work.” Because I know the history and the mission of THE CHIEF: turning young scared kids into fighting seafarers, to being the voice of reason when the wardroom is unanimously praising the executive officer’s “great idea.” The position and mission of the Chief Petty Officer and the need for that differentiation and separation on afloat commands is unique in the armed services. Recent trends in training to square with those differences have largely been productive.

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LINK

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Effectively running and fighting a warship relies on bridging the gap between officers and enlisted personnel. It was from this need that the creation of the rank of chief petty officer was born.

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If you prefer the other variant, that's fine. They make it run by being the bridge between enlisted and officer. That is their job.

i am not doubting you know a couple of former sailors. I am saying your recollection of their positions on the interrelation between enlisted and officers is either flawed, or made up whole cloth.

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So you'd know something useful and accurate about the Navy.

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Such as?

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I don't know anyone who would agree with you.

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Then you don't know anyone in the Navy

Or any armed services, really. Want to know what's up with your soldiers or Marines? Ask your SFC or Gunney.

Always been that way, always will be that way.

It is damn near illegal to be friends with an officer as an enlisted. It is called fraternization, and it is treated harshly and swiftly.

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If you prefer the other variant

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It isn't another variant. It contradicts your assertion.

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But just to play your game:

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Sure, let's play.

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"The officers run the Navy, but the chiefs make the Navy run," explained Command Master Chief Mike Bates of Pensacola's Center for Information Warfare Training at Corry Station. 

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I know Mike, and many others like him. So much for your "no one ever" bullshite.

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Such as?

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Literally anything. Like I said...

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Then you don't know anyone in the Navy

Or any armed services, really. Want to know what's up with your soldiers or Marines? Ask your SFC or Gunney.

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Wrong again.

I spent a loooooooooooooong time in the Marine Corps.

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Gunney

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Jesus Christ.

Well, you certainly have the aptitude of a Chief.

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Nobody that has ever served in the Navy would disagree with anything I have said in this thread. 

Not one.

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I won't be that definitive. I will give a review of my time in the Navy (mid to late 80's). My captain(s) (plural) were obviously in charge, however, they didn't get involved much in day to day operations. The POD would be put out by him. He (they) would relay info to his (their) officer corps and they would tell their respective chiefs. Then they put us to work. The Captain trusted that the job got done by allowing the chiefs a large degree of oversight. The line officers were basically liasons between the chiefs and the Captain. The officer "in charge" of our department was a grade A dipshit. Honestly, the only officer's on my ship that seemed like they had a clue were in engineering. It is what it is. It was the Captain's ship, but the chief's truly did manage day to day operations. FWIW, my experience may be different than others as I was on a Spruance class destroyer with a crew of 250 give or take. Other ships may have had a different environment, and as a result, a totally different set up.
Just my .02.

If the U.S. taxpayer bears the burden of the pricetag on the cheese, I'm out.

Otherwise, I'm in.

I like it. Reduce aid to Pakistan in the amount of the cost of the cheese.

I'll never entertain the ideas of someone who thinks erasing an entire country with nuclear weapons is a good idea.

Deal with that however you need to deal with it.