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re: Trump made an interesting point about our GDP and NATO

Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:15 am to
Posted by VegaIsMyHomeBoy
Member since May 2018
35 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:15 am to
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Exactly how do we support NATO if there is not a check writing in there somewhere?


Hmm, sounds like the kind of thing one could easily google before going on a rant...

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Contributions are based on a formula that considers the Gross National Income of each member nation. We pay ~22% of NATO's budget. Germany pays ~14.7. Our GDP is $18.57 Trillion. Germany's is $3.47 Trillion. So, we pay 1.5 times as much into NATO as Germany, meanwhile our GDP is over 5 times greater than Germany's (the GNI ratio is also > 5).

Semantics indeed!
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54230 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:18 am to
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Hmm, sounds like the kind of thing one could easily google before going on a rant...


And maybe you could go back and read the whole thread with some comprehension being used.

Yeah, semantics grasshopper.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90878 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:31 am to
We spend almost 5% currently. We could just allow the percentage to decrease without spending less money, or increasing spending
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23828 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:34 am to
It isn’t semantics. The issue of overhead funding for NATO operations is an entirely different issue than Trump’s statement about member states spending 2% of their GDP on their own military budgets. These are entirely, 100% different issues.

And note this. Trump did not suggest that any NATO member has failed to pay its share of operations overhead. He never said it. No one has said that. So y’all trying to talk about operations overhead expense sharing are talking about something that is not part of Trump’s discussion or complaint.

It isn’t semantics. The issues are completely different.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74272 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:35 am to
You are still embarrassing yourself over Nato

Beefdawg crushed you
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54230 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:41 am to
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So y’all trying to talk about operations overhead expense sharing are talking about something that is not part of Trump’s discussion or complaint.



Do we or do we not give money to NATO? Before you answer, read this:

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NATO has common military expenses on the order of $2 billion a year. The U.S. share of that is about 22 percent.


Now you can answer.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23828 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:45 am to
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You are still embarrassing yourself over Nato Beefdawg crushed you


I have no clue what you are talking about. This isn’t a policy debate. It is a bunch of ignorant and uninformed people airing fantasy grievances about other member NATO states not “paying in to NATO” and the U.S. having to cover their bills.

I’m just trying to help people understand the truth of the matter.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9559 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 12:59 pm to
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Do we or do we not give money to NATO?

Jesus Christ. Yes, we do contribute funding directly to NATO. But that’s not the fricking point of the 2% GDP argument that Trump is making. In fact, we contribute LESS direct funds as a percentage of GDP than our allies.

Trump’s argument is that NATO member countries are supposed to allocate 2% of their GDP to military spending. While the US spends ~3.5%, our allies mostly spend around 1-1.5%. This is the issue that Trump is talking about, and it is nothing to do with direct funding of NATO. So all of the people around here saying “just cut it to 2%” are actually arguing that we cut our entire defense budget by something like $300 billion.

Based on the $2 billion in operating costs you referenced, the US spends $440 million to fund NATO. Our total military spending (the number Trump is talking about as % of GDP) is over $650 billion.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 2:22 pm to
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Which in the present time is growing because of our GDP but yet the services of NATO are remaining stagnant from what I see. We're not getting bangs for our bucks. One country should not be bearing the burden of financing at least 60% of NATO's budget and with our rising GDP I see us financing even more of that budget.



Why not? We have the most to lose
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