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re: Trump looks really freaking old
Posted on 5/28/23 at 10:38 am to Zach
Posted on 5/28/23 at 10:38 am to Zach
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His thinking process is faster and expression of those thoughts is faster.
This isn't really as valid of a point as you're thinking it is.
Being wrong but fast about it is still being wrong.
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 10:49 am to roadGator
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You?
Yeah, it’s no secret that most of his supporters are uneducated and practice poor nutrition.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:24 am to Tactical1
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Yeah, it’s no secret that most of his supporters are uneducated and practice poor nutrition.
You must’ve done your own rather time and resource consuming exhaustive research covering the entire country in order to have come to that definitive conclusion, my gosh. I bet it took some kind of education and training to accomplish that feat.
Or am I off base with that assessment and you’re merely parroting something you heard? Now that demonstrates a stark lack of education, because any educated person would fully understand the nonsense of being so confident in mimicry.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:27 am to aggressor
Does age suddenly matter to the left?
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:30 am to hogcard1964
Trump has been looking old without the makeup - this is nothing new.
He's still a machine when it's time to handle business.
He's still a machine when it's time to handle business.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:34 am to pankReb
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This isn't really as valid of a point as you're thinking it is. Being wrong but fast about it is still being wrong.
The topic is aging. Being right or wrong is a different thread.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 11:42 am to aggressor
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So basically the DeSantis supporters need to shut up and let Trump keep calling him a gay pedo who faked his wife's cancer and go soft on him so he gets the nomination. No. If Trump still has his fastball he needs to show it and fight and stop hanging out in MAL and having his Influencers do his talking for him. If he wins I will vote for him without question but he has to earn it and stop acting entitled to it.
DeSantis just passed the most conservative slate of Legislation of my lifetime in FL, he's got more than double Trump's money, he's building a massive GOTV organization, and he is barnstorming. He's fighting like a SOB. If Trump does the same and wins then we all win. If he isn't capable of doing that anymore though he needs to stay on the golf course.
There is simply no justification for the lead candidate for the party out of power not having an event for a month and having nothing scheduled. Trump needs to be out there working.
All of this...ever fricking bit of it.....
Trump and his followers just expect to be crowned. He has been out of power for four years and he is going to have to earn it all over again.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 12:14 pm to Zach
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So our best case scenario is Trump is 50% of what he was in 2016. The very likely scenario is he becomes what Biden is now or worse. Time is like pussy, it's undefeated.
I disagree because you're dealing with vastly different levels of lucidity in individuals regardless of age. IE, Trump is more lucid right now than 90% of 20 y.o. college students. His thinking process is faster and expression of those thoughts is faster. If you don't believe this you need to have the depressing experience of talking to today's college students.
They have extremely limited vocabularies and each sentence requires at least 5 'uh, like, ya knows'. The most depressing thing I've learned from watching 100s of college discussion videos the past 2 years is the lower intellectual levels of college professors. None of these people could have gotten a job in the 60s at a decent university.
"You got a zero because your paper contained the term 'biological woman'. There is no such thing."
Desantis is a very sharp guy and I have no problem voting for him. Cruz is a very sharp guy but I don't see him running. Trump is much sharper than any of the Dems on the list. Even RFK, Jr. has some slow thinking issues when being interviewed live.
Trump has many strengths but being a great orator with a vast vocabulary that doesn't repeat himself isn't among them. He's quick on his feet but it is typically with sarcastic comebacks not detailed explanations. That has been in the past.
My point was Reagan severely declined in his 2nd Term vs his 1st. He was significantly younger than Trump. Biden of course is basically a corpse that is operating with heavy drugs on occasion to come out and stumble through a speech.
We have no idea what Trump will be in the next few years but people in their late 70s and early 80s are never as sharp as they were before. The only question is how much they decline. Will it be modest or will it be catastrophic. At best you are looking at having Trump doing a fraction of the events he used to while rambling more often. Old people get upset much easier as the brain ages. It's simply biology and that is why it is a bad idea to have Presidents (or really any elected official) over 75.
Talking about how college kids say stupid things also isn't relevant. We are talking about DeSantis vs Trump.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 2:17 pm to aggressor
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Trump has many strengths but being a great orator with a vast vocabulary that doesn't repeat himself isn't among them.
Totally wrong. Study of rhetorical style is my hobby. You are confusing the major two categories...oratory & extemporaneous. The short story:
Oratory is prepared. The vocabulary can be immense. Especially if someone else is editing your speech. Oratory is NOT a good check on brain quickness. Some candidates take a month to write their speech. I don't judge mental acuity (this topic) on oratory although Trump is very good at it.
Extemporaneous is Q and A (although some democrats cheat with earpieces) and live interviews. Trump is EXTREMELY quick and accurate. That's the real test of mental acuity per age.
The best example of super speed thinking in Q and A with absolutely no notes and no knowledge of questions is Camille Paglia taking questions after a college speech. And Camille is 76.
Desantis and Cruz are very good at both. John Kennedy of La. is very good at extemporaneous but he's slow. Some of it may be for effect (wise man pondering) and some of it might be age. I never heard him speak when he was in his 40s. But I do know that his accent is fake. In college he did not have a drawl.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 2:22 pm to davyjones
Posted on 5/28/23 at 2:54 pm to Zach
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Totally wrong. Study of rhetorical style is my hobby. You are confusing the major two categories...oratory & extemporaneous. The short story:
Oratory is prepared. The vocabulary can be immense. Especially if someone else is editing your speech. Oratory is NOT a good check on brain quickness. Some candidates take a month to write their speech. I don't judge mental acuity (this topic) on oratory although Trump is very good at it.
Which comes to a point I think you are overlooking, most of the time when you see Trump speaking it's a prepared speech that he likely didn't write much of. If you took into account the parts in his speeches when he goes "off the record" and read his tweets/truths (which are wild and incomprehensible at times) does not show a mad genius, he may be mad but I don't think he's a genius.
Edit- Or watch the Chris Wallace 2020 interview or any interview not done by someones lapping up every word he says, his answers are all over the place
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:14 pm to thejuiceisloose
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most of the time when you see Trump speaking it's a prepared speech that he likely didn't write much of.
How do you know? We know Biden's speeches are written by others because Biden is mentally retarded. Trump's orations are consistent in content with his opinions expressed extemporaneously.
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If you took into account the parts in his speeches when he goes "off the record"
If you're talking about digressing then that's part of a very fast mind. IE, I'm answering 'a' and my answer reminds me of point 'b.'
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and read his tweets/truths (which are wild and incomprehensible at times)
Zach does not twitter at all. But it's not part of speaking. Tweets are part of writing.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:22 pm to Zach
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How do you know? We know Biden's speeches are written by others because Biden is mentally retarded. Trump's orations are consistent in content with his opinions expressed extemporaneously.
Cmon now don't be coy, it's not even an attempt on my part as an insult to Trump but it should be known that politicians are not writing their speeches. To go further about the speeches Trump is using a teleprompter, so again not the best gauge on measuring mental acuity
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Zach does not twitter at all. But it's not part of speaking. Tweets are part of writing.
Writing is analogous to speaking and all you have to do is be active on this board to read tons of Trump's tweets/truths
Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:32 pm to thejuiceisloose
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it's not even an attempt on my part as an insult to Trump but it should be known that politicians are not writing their speeches.
Ronald Reagan wrote his own speeches. He was old. No presidents (except Biden) composed zero percent of their speeches. Some had 10% edited and some had 80% edited.
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To go further about the speeches Trump is using a teleprompter, so again not the best gauge on measuring mental acuity
You still don't understand how this is done. Teleprompters are in the place of printed outlines which all speakers use in oratory. Even 30 y.o. speakers. The fact that Trump moves OFF the teleprompter more than anyone means he doesn't need it. Sign of great mental acuity.
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Writing is analogous to speaking and all you have to do is be active on this board to read tons of Trump's tweets/truths
The thread topic here is 'age'. You cannot assess mental acuity declining from age through writing. Biden writes flawless tweets even though he's retarded.
I've gotta sign off since it's that time. But I just found this. RFK, Jr. is 69 y.o. He is spot on with most issues. But if you listen to this recently posted video from Russell Brand's interview with him and close your eyes it will sound like RFK, Jr. is 90 y.o.
russell brand and RFK, Jr.
See you guys tomorrow.
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