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Posted on 7/6/25 at 5:57 am to cajuntiger1010
We paid billions to get them here and to take care of them while here and now we get to pay billions to deport them.
Unfortunately, this cycle will continue.
Unfortunately, this cycle will continue.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:29 am to VOR
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The threat to the country is not that grave…
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:50 am to CDawson
quote:This gets a bit dicey. On the one hand under EMTALA, you require hospitals with emergency rooms to assess and treat (according to your capabilities) all comers. Says nothing about US citizens only. So you require them to treat but you refuse to reimburse them for their services. I think EMTALA would have to be amended or eliminated if you want to do 1) and 2).
1. Hospitals/ERs must report illegals
2. No benefits of any kind for illegals
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:50 am to David_DJS
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There's reason for optimism but funding the operation big time isn't a guarantee that we'll see 5-10 million deportations during this term.
That said, shutting the border down and building the wall are big wins, and those are more in the bag.
In all likelihood, we won't see 1.5 million.
If the President continues to deport at his current rate (and he probably will) he'll deport about 1.2 million to 1.3 million before he leaves office.
Depending on which source you use, there are between 11 million and 30 million illegals in this country. Deportation numbers will be largely insignificant compared to that, especially when he continues to talk about these industry "carve outs" for agriculture and hospitality. As if these carve outs will stop there and not extend to every major industry in this country that relies on illegal immigration for its work force. None of that screams "get out". None of that sends the message that needs to be sent.
In short, these people aren’t going anywhere.
Closing the border is all I reasonably expected. President Trump has met that expectation.
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 7:52 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 7:56 am to Pandy Fackler
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In all likelihood, we won't see 1.5 million.
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Pandy Fackler
We know for sure he will hit his numbers now. You havent been right about anything ever
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:01 am to CDawson
If they go after businesses for hiring them the illegals will leave due to economic factors alone.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:11 am to cajuntiger1010
The people being in favor of mass deportations isn’t the end of it. We have to actually get the mass deportations and we have to keep democrats from just flooding the country with them all over again when they get back into power. Those pieces of shite were bussing them into our country during Covid when American citizens were forced to stay home in isolation and couldn’t cross state lines without vaccines. That admin did everything they could to destroy this country. I don’t think people realize how many of them they actually forced onto us. Fixing this demographic issue and doing to such an extreme that no one tries to do it again is the most important and pressing issue we have.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:17 am to CDawson
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Self deportation incentives would be great
1. Hospitals/ERs must report illegals
2. No benefits of any kind for illegals
3. 75% tax on any monies sent out of the country if the sender cannot verify they are legally in the USA.
4. All government bodies, federal, state or local including schools, universities, or other must report illegals.
They have to want to leave to make it easier on LE
There are no self deportation incentives.
1. That will never become a requirement because it would discourage human beings from seeking medical care, even the emergency medicaid care the Federal Government pays for. The health care profession would regard such a practice as immoral and unethical and no matter the penalties, they would not comply.
2. This may surprise you but many of the federal benefits people think illegals get, they actually don't get. They don't get SNAP. Except in about 15 states, they don’t get Medicaid benefits unless it's emergency medicaid funded by the Federal Government, and they don't get TANF.
They do however get WIC, public education for children, head start and school lunch. Plus anything else local and state blue governments might provide.
3. How would that work? Is there a way to track that?
4. I like that one, but how many illegals attend universities or work for them? If schools have to do mandatory reporting, the illegals simply won't enroll their children in school.
There's no great incentive for these people to leave. There's an ocean of difference between having nothing in the US, versus having nothing in shithole Mexico. Everyone of these people know this.
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 8:38 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:28 am to tide06
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If they go after businesses for hiring them the illegals will leave due to economic factors alone.
This right here is how we know that everything we're seeing regarding deportation is a light and sound show and nothing more.
The political porn of these sexy urban ICE raids and other shite like "Alligator Alcatraz" or whatever. That's all political three card monty.
The President is not a serious man when it comes to deportation, and we know this because he won't hold employers accountable. This country is addicted to cheap, imported labor and the President of the United States of America will continue to feed it.
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 8:30 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 8:44 am to blueboy
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I'll wait until I see results, but he still wants to make a lot of exceptions. Or he did. We'll see where it goes from here.
No need to wait, proving the elites wrong is a win, now if they ever get back in office and allow more of this BS they will be voted out. NOTICE most Dems are now against the illegal invasion when asked, politicians blow with the wind, and that wind is Hurricane Trump.
On this subject 10 years ago Republicans were held hostage by three things.
1.) News Media finds ways to excoriate Republicans OR Dems who do not go along with "their agenda"
2.) "Demon"crats who understood after Clinton that more illegals meant MORE Gov. Monies and more House Seats this more Electoral College Votes, thus they could win the presidency easier and control the nation.
3.) Rich Donors wanted this, but why? DUH, More Illegals means cheaper job wages, more competition. Also, it means SOARING Housing prices for the Landlords, more competition this higher rental fees.
So, Trump saw all this, he thus went forth with basically no money backers in 2016, and a brilliant plan to bring jobs back, create higher wages and it all started with BUILDING A WALL, which the brain dead politicians and media laughed at, but the US Citizenry didn't laugh at.
Trump had to BREAK this trifecta, that is what he has done, he's won.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 11:18 am to geauxtigahhhs
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we have to keep democrats from just flooding the country with them all over again when they get back into power.
I think they learned their lesson. I really don’t think they’ll do anything like that again.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 11:19 am to Pandy Fackler
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They don't get SNAP. Except in about 15 states, they don’t get Medicaid benefits unless it's emergency medicaid funded by the Federal Government
Listen to yourself, Margaret.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 11:27 am to Pandy Fackler
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The health care profession would regard such a practice as immoral and unethical and no matter the penalties, they would not comply.
If the healthcare professionals in this countries are so noble and magnanimous that they believe that not providing care is unethical and immoral then they should offer their services to the poor for free and not gouge the taxpayers and people who use their hard earned money for health insurance.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 11:45 am to Penrod
Here's the entire post you're attempting to respond to. You mistakenly missed a few pieces. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify and repost.
There are no self deportation incentives.
1. That will never become a requirement because it would discourage human beings from seeking medical care, even the emergency medicaid care the Federal Government pays for. The health care profession would regard such a practice as immoral and unethical and no matter the penalties, they would not comply.
2. This may surprise you but many of the federal benefits people think illegals get, they actually don't get. They don't get SNAP. Except in about 15 states, they don’t get Medicaid benefits unless it's emergency medicaid funded by the Federal Government, and they don't get TANF.
They do however get WIC, public education for children, head start and school lunch. Plus anything else local and state blue governments might provide.
3. How would that work? Is there a way to track that?
4. I like that one, but how many illegals attend universities or work for them? If schools have to do mandatory reporting, the illegals simply won't enroll their children in school.
There's no great incentive for these people to leave. There's an ocean of difference between having nothing in the US, versus having nothing in shithole Mexico. Everyone of these people know this.
Now, on to medicaid. There's only about 15 states that provide medicaid for illegals. This isn’t exactly a nationwide issue. Now with regard to those 15 states, I think this recent bill says federal matching medicaid funds will drop from 90% to 80%. I think that provision passed but I'm not sure. If it did pass, those states will still provide medicaid in some form or fashion for illegals.
Now with regard to federal emergency medicaid reimbursement for illegals. That's for labor and delivery and life threatening emergencies. Per EMTALA, that has to be provided.
There are no self deportation incentives.
1. That will never become a requirement because it would discourage human beings from seeking medical care, even the emergency medicaid care the Federal Government pays for. The health care profession would regard such a practice as immoral and unethical and no matter the penalties, they would not comply.
2. This may surprise you but many of the federal benefits people think illegals get, they actually don't get. They don't get SNAP. Except in about 15 states, they don’t get Medicaid benefits unless it's emergency medicaid funded by the Federal Government, and they don't get TANF.
They do however get WIC, public education for children, head start and school lunch. Plus anything else local and state blue governments might provide.
3. How would that work? Is there a way to track that?
4. I like that one, but how many illegals attend universities or work for them? If schools have to do mandatory reporting, the illegals simply won't enroll their children in school.
There's no great incentive for these people to leave. There's an ocean of difference between having nothing in the US, versus having nothing in shithole Mexico. Everyone of these people know this.
Now, on to medicaid. There's only about 15 states that provide medicaid for illegals. This isn’t exactly a nationwide issue. Now with regard to those 15 states, I think this recent bill says federal matching medicaid funds will drop from 90% to 80%. I think that provision passed but I'm not sure. If it did pass, those states will still provide medicaid in some form or fashion for illegals.
Now with regard to federal emergency medicaid reimbursement for illegals. That's for labor and delivery and life threatening emergencies. Per EMTALA, that has to be provided.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:11 pm to Penrod
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I think they learned their lesson. I really don’t think they’ll do anything like that again.
You seem to be suffering from the delusion that Dems are rational. There's nothing Democrats have done the last ten years that should lead a person to believe they won't, in some form or fashion, open the border wide the next time they have the chance.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:26 pm to Pandy Fackler
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In all likelihood, we won't see 1.5 million.
I share your concern. That's why I posted what I did earlier. Funding the effort is great, but only if it yields the results that that kind of investment warrants. Otherwise, we are no better than the Democrats and their $7.5B for building 10 EV charging stations (or whatever it was).
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2. This may surprise you but many of the federal benefits people think illegals get, they actually don't get. They don't get SNAP. Except in about 15 states, they don’t get Medicaid benefits unless it's emergency medicaid funded by the Federal Government, and they don't get TANF
I don't know what all those acronyms stand for so don't take issue with what you directly suggest, but I'll say this - take healthcare as the most glaring example...it doesn't matter if it's Medicaid or some other program, few of the 20-30 million illegals are paying for their own healthcare. One way or the other, the rest of us are doing that.
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There are no self deportation incentives.
There should be. Frankly, I don't know what would work but we should figure something out.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:53 pm to David_DJS
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You seem to be suffering from the delusion that Dems are rational.
When Reagan slaughtered the Dems by highlighting their woke (that word had not been coined yet) foolishness, the Dems got tired of losing and adjusted; see Clinton’s Sister Souljah Moment. Clinton also signed welfare reform. The need to win forced change then, and it will force change now, I assure you. We might have one more round of Dems trying the woke platform, but they’ll be crushed if they do, then they’ll abandon it for a decade or so.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 3:43 pm to Penrod
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When Reagan slaughtered the Dems by highlighting their woke (that word had not been coined yet) foolishness, the Dems got tired of losing and adjusted; see Clinton’s Sister Souljah Moment. Clinton also signed welfare reform. The need to win forced change then, and it will force change now, I assure you. We might have one more round of Dems trying the woke platform, but they’ll be crushed if they do, then they’ll abandon it for a decade or so.
Okay, but what have you seen from Dems that leads you to believe they're on this track. Maybe someday, maybe even probably someday. But they're nowhere close to starting on that path yet. In fact, they seem to be doubling down on the nonsense that resulted in the near landslide by Trump.
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