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re: Trump Fans Excited To Vote For The Guy Who Fast-Tracked Vaccines And Hired Fauci
Posted on 1/23/22 at 4:00 pm to El Magnifico
Posted on 1/23/22 at 4:00 pm to El Magnifico
just stopped by to downvote based on false title alone.
Carry on.
Carry on.
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 4:02 pm to davyjones
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If you’re trying to convince me that on literal day 1 you concluded there was truly no outbreak of an unknown virus that did possibly have the potential to cause deaths at a frightening clip, that it was no doubt something way different than that possibility and in any event not a potentially dire situation; and that due to this day 1 (or whatever, week 1 if I’m being too melodramatic with “day 1”) conclusion set out above, you possessed a set of opinions on what to do or not do (I’m sure most of which would of course be completely opposite of Trump’s decisions), I’m sorry but it’s even just too hard to believe.
It’s instructive that you need to create the position you can argue against.
Never said the virus wasn’t real.
Never said the virus wasn’t going to do serious damage.
Never said it should have been ignored.
What I’m arguing is you had to suspend knowledge, logic and experience to believe the best response to the virus involved 90% of what it ended up involving.
Think about shelter in place - do you need help to understand how utterly retarded the notion is that we could snuff out a virus that had spread from a single carrier in China to every corner of the globe in a matter of weeks? Seriously, if a single carrier emerges from lockdown, we’re right back where we started in 12 weeks. That thought never occurred to you while we were being locked out of our schools and businesses?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 4:23 pm to El Magnifico
It is idiots like you that can’t understand the simple fact that it is the MANDATES that are the problem. Nobody cares who takes the vaccine.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 4:23 pm to David_DJS
Friend I just believe they didn’t know exactly what they were dealing with at first, that’s the most reasonable position for Trump to take at the time not being a virologist , thus I can understand the urge to err on the side of caution considering the potential stakes involved.
Also, let me be clear that I absolutely do believe that Trump’s allied opponents were clearly prepared to weaponize the situation against Trump mainly by way of “fear porn,” and that also was a quite relevant factor Trump had to consider and deal with. Simply telling the country that “y’all, the Democrats and mainstream media are weaponizing and manipulating this thing for political and in some instances even personal gain, ignore everything you’re hearing from them about coronavirus” is not a reasonable expectation, not even close. Had to make the best out of a bad and worsening situation, even when it meant in some situations perhaps going against one’s intuition.
The ultimate goal was to get headed back in the direction of “normal” and quite frankly the first step was to basically say “Yeah we’re addressing it, folks, you’re worried about you and family’s safety, and we will work on getting you over that hump”.
Best of a bad situation. Do whatever you have to do to stop backslide and start back in the direction of normal.
Also, let me be clear that I absolutely do believe that Trump’s allied opponents were clearly prepared to weaponize the situation against Trump mainly by way of “fear porn,” and that also was a quite relevant factor Trump had to consider and deal with. Simply telling the country that “y’all, the Democrats and mainstream media are weaponizing and manipulating this thing for political and in some instances even personal gain, ignore everything you’re hearing from them about coronavirus” is not a reasonable expectation, not even close. Had to make the best out of a bad and worsening situation, even when it meant in some situations perhaps going against one’s intuition.
The ultimate goal was to get headed back in the direction of “normal” and quite frankly the first step was to basically say “Yeah we’re addressing it, folks, you’re worried about you and family’s safety, and we will work on getting you over that hump”.
Best of a bad situation. Do whatever you have to do to stop backslide and start back in the direction of normal.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 4:25 pm to WhiskeyBusiness
quote:The first two rounds of stimulus and batshit insane out-of-control spending happened under Trump.
Would you rather have Covid AND record inflation
Posted on 1/23/22 at 4:49 pm to davyjones
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Friend I just believe they didn’t know exactly what they were dealing with, thus I can understand the urge to err on the side of caution considering the potential stakes involved.
They didn’t need to know exactly what they were dealing with to understand the best course of action was to not go full-on retard.
Think about it this way - lay out the circumstances that would make sense of how we responded to C19. Explain what would need to actually happen with a virus that would make it all make sense.
You’re going to come up with circumstances so dramatically different from the circumstances we were dealing with - even just to the level we understood them.
Also, do you think it wasn’t understood early on that those at substantial risk were the fragile and very obese? How could this have not been known from the very beginning?
Posted on 1/23/22 at 5:07 pm to David_DJS
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do you think it’s reasonable
It think it’s reasonable to be accurate. If your criticism is “Trump spent too much and that helped enable Democrat governors to lock down their states” then you should say that. It’s a legit criticism because it actually occurred. You shouldn’t rant some bullshite about Federal lockdowns that never actually happened.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 5:44 pm to David_DJS
Maybe I need to better explain especially the part about the fear porn. The group in which you resided at the time, and this isn’t to judge any one “group” over another here, but you’re group was the minority either by a little or possibly a lot. The vast majority group were people ranging from skeptical but not willing to rule it out that this is a deadly pandemic…..to…….branch covidians. That majority group wasn’t going to magically forget about their concerns (again, ranging from a little to a whole lot) and just jump back out and participate in the economy.
And Trump was fully aware of the weight of the issue of the economy. Thus, again, he did what he had to do at least in part to coax that majority group into an improving sense of safety. So they could get headed back in direction of “normal,” again, the tip top goal. EVEN THOUGH TRUMP MAY NOT HAVE LIKED certain decisions, there were many like that that had to he made for the sake of the overall goal. I think you’re judging “bad decisions” in a vacuum here.
And Trump was fully aware of the weight of the issue of the economy. Thus, again, he did what he had to do at least in part to coax that majority group into an improving sense of safety. So they could get headed back in direction of “normal,” again, the tip top goal. EVEN THOUGH TRUMP MAY NOT HAVE LIKED certain decisions, there were many like that that had to he made for the sake of the overall goal. I think you’re judging “bad decisions” in a vacuum here.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:59 pm to TDsngumbo
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Lastly, I’m moving on from Trump and on to DeSantis. Not because Trump fast-tracked the vaccines, though. I’m moving on from him because he’s too much of a lightning rod for the media and voters. He was the best president we’ve ever had but absolutely nothing will get accomplished if he were to win another term.
We need someone in that position that will fix the country. 2020 was stolen. The deep state and the media put Trump and his family in danger and are proving to remain a threat while he is out of office. You are advocating having someone take office that would have a political future to consider in all of his actions vs. a pissed-off, lame duck, nothing to lose, master of all he has ever set his mind to conquer. If Trump gets his position back, there is hope for the country. DeSantis would give us 4 more years of the same old shite we have had for the last 40. Sure, there would be some gains, but losses as a whole.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:50 pm to AgsNguyening
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Among likely primary voters and in the states he will need? Look again.
Link? LOL
He still draws thousands everywhere he goes. He's inspired millions in Europe to stand up vs these Covidians.
I am cool with Desantis. Until PDJT passes the magic wand, he is the leader.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:53 am to Flats
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ou shouldn’t rant some bullshite about Federal lockdowns that never actually happened.
I never once referred to federal lockdowns. I don't know what you're responding to. What I actually said is exactly what you suggested I frame things as - I said Trump funded the bullshite that was happening in shithole states and cities.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:55 am to GumboPot
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I still remains not a bad idea. Just don't force everyone to take it.
This
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:58 am to David_DJS
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I never once referred to federal lockdowns. I don't know what you're responding to.
You jumped into the conversation; read the post I initially responded to.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 11:09 am to davyjones
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Maybe I need to better explain especially the part about the fear porn. The group in which you resided at the time, and this isn’t to judge any one “group” over another here, but you’re group was the minority either by a little or possibly a lot. The vast majority group were people ranging from skeptical but not willing to rule it out that this is a deadly pandemic…..to…….branch covidians. That majority group wasn’t going to magically forget about their concerns (again, ranging from a little to a whole lot) and just jump back out and participate in the economy.
I think we're going in circles, or you're not reading what I actually post.
The appropriate response was clear from the beginning. Isolate those at risk, invest in developing therapeutics/protocols, support hospitals. Think back to the beginning, and that's what everyone was talking about - right? In the beginning, nobody was suggesting we lock kids out of schools or to shut the economy down. It was all about "flattening the curve" to give the medical industry time to prepare for what was to come. Remember two weeks? It's not accurate to suggest that from the beginning some majority group was itching to shut shite down. So what happened to the original plan? How did it morph into what we've seen the last two years?
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I think you’re judging “bad decisions” in a vacuum here.
I'm not sure what this means, but to be clear - I'm judging Trump on the direction he allowed the pandemic to take. You can argue he was surrounded by alarmists and he's not an MD or virologist so how could he have known better, but would it have taken a super genius to figure out that Fauci and Blix and their teams were political AF, and they were so from the Team Obama/Clinton/Biden side? I think it was pretty well understood by more than some tiny minority that they were Dem activists.
At the end of the day I'm holding Trump accountable for Covid in the same way I give him credit for his remarkable economy pre-pandemic. It's not like he went out and started businesses and built plants - he did what presidents do. He picked the right people to do the right things, championed the right legislation and he led. He also benefited from the circumstances that prevailed at the time he took office (following a guy that purposefully restrained the economy). And he did all this economic work with a ridiculously biased media, and opposition party willing to lie, cheat and steal. So it's by these very measures and expectations that I judge Trump on the pandemic. And he fricked up.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 11:17 am to Flats
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You jumped into the conversation; read the post I initially responded to.
I jumped into the conversation voicing my opinion that while Trump didn't mandate shite and there were no federal mandates, he funded all that bullshite as it was perpetrated by governors and mayors - and that's why (in part) I argue Trump shite the bed on Covid. So it's not really accurate to suggest that I argued Trump is responsible for federal mandates that we both know never happened.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 11:22 am to David_DJS
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So it's not really accurate to suggest that I argued Trump is responsible for federal mandates that we both know never happened.
I wasn’t trying to. That was a generic “you” but it was poorly worded.
You took issue with my initial response but I have no idea why if we both know there were no federal lockdowns.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 11:25 am to Esquire
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Folks this is why you can never let your guard with the left. They’re evil and disingenuous. They have no intentions of ever coexisting and will patiently plot our demise for decades if they’re nit eliminated.
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Is Babylon Bee “the left” now?
Yes. It's evil and disingenuous. It has no intentions of ever coexisting and will patiently plot our demise for decades if it's not eliminated.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 11:37 am to David_DJS
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I think we're going in circles, or you're not reading what I actually post.
I’m not sure it’s either. We just simply don’t agree. Which is fine.
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