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re: Trump declass'd everything why does the DOJ and media keep saying the docs are classified?

Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by jbdawgs03
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:28 pm to
So we trust Jack Smith?
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:28 pm to
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I'm not even sure that the declassification status is the most important thing for these charges because it's based around documents relating to national security.


The charges are based on national security, USC 793. But the basis of the charges involve classified documents. At least that is my understanding.

Then there are the obstruction of justice charges too.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:28 pm to
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No, just telling you the legal standard. It wouldn’t surprise me, however, if Trump is quieter when the issue revolves around criminal allegations.


Wait….you think this is Trumps first criminal allegation?
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:28 pm to
You have him?

This time?
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:29 pm to
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Wait….you think this is Trumps first criminal allegation?


Second indictment.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:31 pm to
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Second indictment.


But that isn’t what you said.

And even so….he didn’t hold back speaking publicly about his first indictment.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:31 pm to
If anybody gets him, it's because he's let himself be gotten. Not strong opsec here.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:32 pm to
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Did you read the indictment?




Only parts. I'll have to read the entire document later. I stopped right before the obstruction part.

I admit, the parts I read (red), read (reed) pretty damning. But it is the prosecution's side of the story.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted by masoncj
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:33 pm to
The dialogue with the staffer on Battle plans trying to show Trump means rea is very weak sauce by Jack-arse.

Trump is no expert on PRA is one easy way around this. Simply claim he didn’t realize by having the docs in his possession it means they are unclassified

Or

He can simply say he was trying to impress this staffer and say in reality in his mind and by having it in his possession and that he knew it was unclassified.

I mean trump has never exaggerated and tried to impress anyone before …lol

In fact my 2nd example is exactly what trump defense will be most likely.

Just bullsh!tting some young staffer

Good luck with Bidens goon DAs in reading trumps mind.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 3:37 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:35 pm to
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But that isn’t what you said.


Ok.

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And even so….he didn’t hold back speaking publicly about his first indictment.


Ok.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:35 pm to
But Tom Fitton doesn't have a JD.
Posted by highanklesprain20
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:35 pm to
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But the basis of the charges involve classified documents


It's likely going to end up being national security docs, like the alleged war plan that is still missing. Not strictly classified docs.

The media is running with "classified" cause they don't know what else to say and it's already a phrase in the ether.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:36 pm to
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And even so….he didn’t hold back speaking publicly about his first indictment. Ok.


So it still doesn’t raise a question to you that THIS is the time he’s chosen to remain silent?
Posted by Figgy
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:36 pm to
Gumbo, start reading The Defendants Concealment of Boxes starting on page 21. They'll have to show their evidence during the trial. You simply cannot bring these types of charges on a whim to get someone. But we do live in Clown World so maybe there is hope for MAGA. I just have my doubts right now.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:37 pm to
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He can simply say he was trying to impress this staffer and say in reality in his mind and by having it in his possession and that he knew it was unclassified.

I mean trump has never exaggerated and tried to impress anyone before …lol

In fact my 2nd example is exactly what trump defense will be most likely.

Just bullsh!tting some young staffer




This may actually work.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:37 pm to
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The media is running with "classified" cause they don't know what else to say and it's already a phrase in the ether.


It sounds like they’re running with Trumps very own words about the docs still being classified.
Posted by jbdawgs03
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:37 pm to
Lol you Ronbots celebrating this bs is so pathetic. Glad you’re all outing yourselves tho
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:38 pm to
I think you're right that the puffery defense is the way to go and there's lots of plausibility from his background that could be compelling to jurors.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:39 pm to
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Lol you Ronbots celebrating this bs is so pathetic. Glad you’re all outing yourselves tho


I, too, enjoy making up incredibly unfounded bullshite narratives to make myself feel better.

This is why we call you cultists. “Everyone is out to get me”
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:40 pm to
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I think you're right that the puffery defense is the way to go and there's lots of plausibility from his background that could be compelling to jurors.


But at the same time, I don’t think “jury, my client is an idiot” is a smart strategy long-term.
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